Griffin's Roost Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I absolutely despise all of these theories about rhaegar being alive and all stuff like that etc.that being said it always bugged me, we are lead to believe jaqen is some amazing person that can kill anyone yet somehow got caught and put in black cell. someone said you know why he is down there? because meryn trant didn't kill syrio he put him in the black cell and syrio changed to jaqen, that's also why he takes to arya.I have to say its not completely crazy. someone please disprove it because I hate these theories.I mean if its true fine, but I don't want to assume something that large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Syria didn't really go anywhere. I checked Google maps and it was still there, between Turkey, Iraq and Lebanon. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Cold Fingers Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Syria didn't really go anywhere. I checked Google maps and it was still there, between Turkey, Iraq and Lebanon. You're my hero! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 You're my hero! :DThat really was funny. I didn't pick up on it, at first. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drekinn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I don't see the point of him being alive. And no, the faceless man theory was and always will be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 GRRM himself told the fans to sort it out logically. He's dead.Or does sorting it out logically indicate he's alive?Personally I think Syrio is dead, but I wouldn't put my money on it with how many false deaths there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Or does sorting it out logically indicate he's alive?Personally I think Syrio is dead, but I wouldn't put my money on it with how many false deaths there are. No - when everything points to him being in a situation where he will die in a moment, sorting it our logically does not indicate he is alive haha :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satin fetch me a cock! Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Syrio is deadRobert is deadNed is deadRhaegar is dead.Quentyn is dead.Grey Wind is dead.Lyanna is dead.I see you left out Ashara Dayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think there's a small chance Syrio Forel survived the fight in King's Landing, but I doubt we'll ever know his fate for certain. 1) Meryn Trant apparently returned to Cersei after the fight without his helm. Syrio noted during the fight that Meryn's visor was open and he -- seeing with his eyes -- may have used that as an opening to strike his temple or daze him with his broken wooden sword (possibly damaging the helm, which Meryn would not want Cersei to see) then made his escape. However, this seems to contradict Syrio's statement that "The First Sword of Braavos does not run." 2) Cersei is aware that Syrio was Arya's "dancing" master, so certainly Meryn would have known as well, right? Since Meryn never explicitly said he killed Syrio, I find that odd since you'd think he'd confirm the death of a skilled swordsman. On a side note, the SF=JH theory has some merits but a major shortcoming is the timing of Yoren taking the prisoners from the dungeon; which seems to occur prior to the fight over Arya. GRRM doesn't always like giving fans closure. So I think we've heard the last of Syrio. And in interviews (sorry, I can't find a quote), I vaguely remember GRRM coming across as irritated by questions about Syrio's fate, as if we're supposed to assume he's dead. SF=JH has no merit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KozySauce Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think it's possible for him to be alive but I wouldn't bet on him returning. I think if he was alive and he was going to make another appearance, it would have happened already, at this point the story is so far gone from when he last appeared... I just can't see him having a lasting impact on it any more... which is why I can semi-believe the "Syrio is a faceless man and is Jaqen" theories. That just sounds like something GRRM would do imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northbound3.0 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I see you left out Ashara DayneSorry. Ashara is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeMama Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 SF=JH has no merit I found some of arguments for SF=JH somewhat compelling (red herrings in hindsight)... but after looking at the timeline of events, Yoren clearly had possession of the dungeon rats before the Syrio debacle. So yes, I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satin fetch me a cock! Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Sorry. Ashara is dead.Blahahaha ....I'm with you! So sick of in depth theories on dead people.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 What stealth skill? Not needed. just a cloak and helmet from a dead Lannister guard, and water-dance out the front door. "I've been cut bad, on my way to get bandaged up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I absolutely despise all of these theories about rhaegar being alive and all stuff like that etc. that being said it always bugged me, we are lead to believe jaqen is some amazing person that can kill anyone yet somehow got caught and put in black cell. someone said you know why he is down there? because meryn trant didn't kill syrio he put him in the black cell and syrio changed to jaqen, that's also why he takes to arya. I have to say its not completely crazy. someone please disprove it because I hate these theories. I mean if its true fine, but I don't want to assume something that large Trant had no reason to take Syrio to the Black Cells. Probably didn't have time and was a bit too lazy, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 GRRM himself told the fans to sort it out logically. He's dead. Reread. GRRM waterdanced all around the question. We see a number of apparent deaths that were not final, Bran's fall from the tower being a good example. Falling several stories to a cobblestoned courtyard is normally fatal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 No. He is dead, his head was mounted on the gates of the Red Keep and his body thrown in a ditch or on a midden heap. Meryn Trant would have mentioned it if he escaped and could possibly provide assistance to Arya. The Shakespeare of Braavos is a Forel as well. I disagree. Trant was a weasel and would have covered up Syrio's escape and would have reported his death, to make himself look better. He pointedly doesn't mention how five armed Lannster guardsmen get neutralized by a dance instructor using a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Meryn would have mentioned it if he defeated him and his men and escaped where as if Meryn simply killed him he's just another corpse among the Hand's Household and not worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Why mention Septa Mordane`s head on a spike and not Syrio`s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Not needed. just a cloak and helmet from a dead Lannister guard, and water-dance out the front door. "I've been cut bad, on my way to get bandaged up"I wanted to know what the OP meant when he mentioned Syrio's "stealth skills" (it apparently meant "being silent", a skill everyone knows), and I respectfully thus do not care about your alternative scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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