Bob Sacamano Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Asked this in Small Questions, but it may need it's own thread. Thanks Lost Melnibonean I'm reading Bran's chapter when he's in a coma in AGOT....Does anyone think Quaithe's Propechy "To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow" in anyway relates to Bran's coma?? If you read his coma, Bran's journey follows Quaithe's directions...His visions have him starting in Winterfell and looking south and looking to the east, all the way to the shadow. Once he gets to Asshai he goes back to the North and West. I don't know what it could mean. There are a lot smarter people on the forum who could probably elaborate. I really don't know if it means anything, but I find it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Asked this in Small Questions, but it may need it's own thread. Thanks Lost Melnibonean I'm reading Bran's chapter when he's in a coma in AGOT....Does anyone think Quaithe's Propechy "To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow" in anyway relates to Bran's coma?? If you read his coma, Bran's journey follows Quaithe's directions...His visions have him starting in Winterfell and looking south and looking to the east, all the way to the shadow. Once he gets to Asshai he goes back to the goes North and West. I don't know what it could mean. There are a lot smarter people on the forum who could probably elaborate. I really don't know if it means anything, but I find it interesting. I think this is a novel idea, at least I haven't seen it presented before. This could present an interesting connection to Bloodraven for those who believe that Quaithe is Shiera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hmm.. I'm seeing it as a sort of opposite... Bran had originally wanted to go south, but he fell, and thus, in order to get south, he needed to travel north, beyond the Wall. Only there can he learn to tap into the weirwood networks and "bring himself south". The other parts, I wouldn't know, at the moment. Looking south, east, north and west, is not the same as going south, in order to go north, nor going east to go west. Would Bloodraven, perhaps, have ever been described as a shadow? Or the cave Bloodraven lives at right now? If so, he could be the shadow Bran must pass to reach the light... It certainly would be interesting if Quaithe's prophecy would fit elsewhere as well, and not only for Dany.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Quork Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This is a great catch I haven't seen before. I'm intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hmm.. I'm seeing it as a sort of opposite... Bran had originally wanted to go south, but he fell, and thus, in order to get south, he needed to travel north, beyond the Wall. Only there can he learn to tap into the weirwood networks and "bring himself south". The other parts, I wouldn't know, at the moment. Looking south, east, north and west, is not the same as going south, in order to go north, nor going east to go west. Would Bloodraven, perhaps, have ever been described as a shadow? Or the cave Bloodraven lives at right now? If so, he could be the shadow Bran must pass to reach the light... It certainly would be interesting if Quaithe's prophecy would fit elsewhere as well, and not only for Dany..I'm just spitballing here... Bloodraven is described in Bran III, Dance as the whisperer in darkness. And he tell Bran not to fear the darkness but to use it as a cloak, shield, mmother's milk, and source of strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'm just spitballing here... Bloodraven is described in Bran III, Dance as the whisperer in darkness. And he tell Bran not to fear the darkness but to use it as a cloak, shield, mmother's milk, and source of strength. I'd say that that could fit.. Bloodraven is "beneath" the shadow ( -> in darkness).. Bran must learn Bloodravens art, in the darkness, in order to "touch the light", whatever that will be.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oegon Targaryen Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 I didn't believe anyone could come up with a new and interesting theory relating to Quaithe's prophecy, which is up there with the most over-analysed things on this website. So for that alone, I tip my hat. Back on point, there do seem to be some striking similarities, but let's say for the sake of argument you're right. What is the point? I mean what possible reason could Quaithe have for giving Dany a prophecy that describes the movements of a (so far) entirely unrelated character who she doesn't even know exists? I guess it would be fair to reply that the connection could come out in the next two books but I'm a bit :dunno: Interesting catch though Bob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox fur cloak Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 It certainly would be interesting if Quaithe's prophecy would fit elsewhere as well, and not only for Dany..Ooh yes... It reminds me the most of Arya, who was trying to get home but never succeeding. Can anyone think of any other characters who might fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Ooh yes... It reminds me the most of Arya, who was trying to get home but never succeeding. Can anyone think of any other characters who might fit? Maybe it will end up fitting all of the Stark kids as well as dragon heads in some way in time. Just random speculation. Jon - To achieve his goals re the Others he has to deal with things South of the Wall, something about Eastwatch and Shadow Tower etc. Arya - Aborted trip North, now has gone East, living a shadow trade etc. Sansa - Wants to go home to Winterfell, but her path there is through the politics of the South, is now in the East but connected loosely to the West, is going dark etc. Rickon - Dunno...does anyone? Bran - as outlined (very interesting thread) Dany - no need to get into it here Dragon Head #3 - Rather depends who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Ooh yes... It reminds me the most of Arya, who was trying to get home but never succeeding. Can anyone think of any other characters who might fit?Arya certainly did go east, but her desire was never to west.. and she wanted to go north, and did, but not exactly the way she wanted to.Edit: or did you mean that it fits Arya in a less literal way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share Posted January 29, 2015 Maybe it will end up fitting all of the Stark kids as well as dragon heads in some way in time. Just random speculation. Jon - To achieve his goals re the Others he has to deal with things South of the Wall, something about Eastwatch and Shadow Tower etc. Arya - Aborted trip North, now has gone East, living a shadow trade etc. Sansa - Wants to go home to Winterfell, but her path there is through the politics of the South, is now in the East but connected loosely to the West, is going dark etc. Rickon - Dunno...does anyone? Bran - as outlined (very interesting thread) Dany - no need to get into it here Dragon Head #3 - Rather depends who it is. I thought about the Dragon Heads, too. Maybe we'll see Jon in a coma, taking a similar path that Bran took. With Bran leading him on the journey, possibly. If all three characters have the "To go north you must journey south..." working for them, I would think it means something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmet Eren Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 very interesting You can seen lots of parallel and forshadowing in GRRM style sometime it means big sometimes not I always feel dany and bran end up together ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox fur cloak Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Arya certainly did go east, but her desire was never to west.. and she wanted to go north, and did, but not exactly the way she wanted to.Edit: or did you mean that it fits Arya in a less literal way?Less literal. I was thinking about how she wanted to go north as soon as she went south, but then ended up wandering the Riverlands. I think most of her time in the east, in Braavos, is in preparation for her going west, to Westeros. So it's sort of backwards in that way: while Dany sees a clear result and has to go the opposite direction to get there, Arya only desires to return home once she's placed somewhere else. As for Sansa, she has something similar going on, since she wanted to go south when she was at Winterfell, and wanted to go north while in Kings Landing. If I'm not mistaken, both Winterfell and Riverrun lie on the more western side of Westetos, but she ended up going east to the Vale.Edit: actually, I guess that is pretty literal... Just not as set in stone as Dany's version. Also, Arya's "shadow" could be her time with the Faceless Men, or just with her killing people in general. Sansa's could be the more cold hearted girl many fans seem to think she will become, or it could simply point to the shadow of war looming over them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox fur cloak Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 "To touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow." = To reach spring you must survive the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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