Steelborn Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 And if Aegon has always been his primary plan, why would Viserys stay in Pentos in the first place? I think something is off with his plan, I'm not sure how he was planning to manage both Aegon and Viserys, specially since he was seemingly supporting the two kings. . What are your thoughts on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 I think he expected Dany to die. He tells as much to Tyrion when he says he never really expected she would survived much longer among the Dothraki. As for Viserys, some people say Illyrio was just using reverse psychology with him and wanted him to die as wellBut to be honest, I think that whole plan is convoluted as all hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tommen Baratheon Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 But to be honest, I think that whole plan is convoluted as all hell This and Doran. Either they're just really dumb, or there's gonna be a huge mindboggling reveal. I'm leaning towards the former though :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Apparently, Dany's maindenhead was very important, or else if Viserys "claimed it" like he wanted to, he would ruin "years of planning". I don't know why the dothraki matter at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebookless Man Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 This and Doran. Either they're just really dumb, or there's gonna be a huge mindboggling reveal. I'm leaning towards the former though :(I'm leaning toward the latter. A bunch of new players have just entered the scene, we still know very little of Varys and Illyrio's plans, and the plot is supposed to be converging at this point. I can't see the next book being a bunch of new, separate storylines nobody cares about.And GRRM likes his surprise reveals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldofdragons Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 illyrio and varys got drunk one night after aerys made a mean eunuch joke. so they hatched a plan: "screw that guy man, he's like, a total dick and we'll totally get him back" and so it is that varys the spider engineered robert's rebellion with his whispers, spiriting young aegon away to create the perfect prince. meanwhile illyrio found aerys' two other children, skillfully creating a number of alliances (dorne, golden company, dothraki insofar as they do this type of thing, braavos?) sufficient to muster an army capable of conquering westeros. three heads must the dragon have, and three dragon eggs for the targaryen exiles.then he gives all three of those eggs to dany, because how should i know.and viserys goes and gets himself killed, which puts the dornish alliance in question, but fortunately we have aegon. except drogo died, so no we should probably have aegon marry dany, which has the added advantage of making it more believable that some random kid with light coloring is actually the son of rhaegar, believed to have been brutally murdered. also dany is faffing about in the meereen, with all three dragons and an army of unsullied, because this is what happens when you make major decisions whilst drunk. a woman screws everything up (i look forward to your outrage) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 His and Varys' motives remain opaque.One thing I am sure of. Illyrio is not simply some corrupt billionaire looking for financial reward. Whatever his cause, he's genuinely committed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 To die. At best, she'd cause social unrest in the Seven Kingdoms and wipe out the Dothraki threat in Essos. At worst, a contender for the IT dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 To die, Varys wanted the dothraki threat to hit Westeros so Aegon can follow them and wipe them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniMitch Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Probably for two reasons 1) To die2) To get everyone's attention, and to get Aegon (or whoever he is) ready to invade Westeros and take the throne. So whilst everyone is loosing their mind over and get distracted trying to do something about Dany and the Dothraki (Like Robert and Ned were), nobody see the invasion of Aegon coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 I see. Surely, Viserys wouldn't accept it gently though. Or Illyrio thought it'd be easier to kill him when he was alone and powerless in Pentos while Aegon started his campaign. This and Doran. Either they're just really dumb, or there's gonna be a huge mindboggling reveal. I'm leaning towards the former though :( It's funny that Doran didn't assist Viserys and Dany at all and kept his plan based on hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 To die. Or should anything happens to Drogo and Dany survives, join the crones at VD. So, this was a one way ticket for Dany. Viserys only had one option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 to die but be a distraction to robert for a few years and maybe at the very best get an angry dothraki horde when shes killedbut overall she was never of importance to their original plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satin fetch me a cock! Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This really bothers me too. I mean, why give a girl you expect to die 3 extremely valuable dragon eggs? Why did Vary's pass on Robert's order to assassinate Dany if they wanted her and the Dothraki to invade Westeros and then have Aegon save the day? I guess they could have hoped it would piss Khal off enough to invade Westeros, but was it worth gambling 3 dragon eggs and all the time you spend on raising Aegon? In reality he could have hired sell swords with the dragon eggs and used them to invade Westeros. I can't accept the justification given for their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Apparently, Dany's maindenhead was very important, or else if Viserys "claimed it" like he wanted to, he would ruin "years of planning". I don't know why the dothraki matter at all. I never got that. The way the Dothraki are presented, you'd think they wouldn't be too worried about their maidenheads either way. Especially with them being a nomadic horse culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This really bothers me too.I mean, why give a girl you expect to die 3 extremely valuable dragon eggs? Why did Vary's pass on Robert's order to assassinate Dany if they wanted her and the Dothraki to invade Westeros and then have Aegon save the day? I guess they could have hoped it would piss Khal off enough to invade Westeros, but was it worth gambling 3 dragon eggs and all the time you spend on raising Aegon? In reality he could have hired sell swords with the dragon eggs and used them to invade Westeros. I can't accept the justification given for their actions.some people think the plan seem to be that you kill her to get the dothraki to invade and have agon beat them as a savior. also how valuable are those eggs for real? nobody thought they would hatch or anything? i never get a clear idea how valuable eggs are when everyone thinks they are fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think he expected Dany to die. He tells as much to Tyrion when he says he never really expected she would survived much longer among the Dothraki. As for Viserys, some people say Illyrio was just using reverse psychology with him and wanted him to die as wellBut to be honest, I think that whole plan is convoluted as all hell Why give her the dragon eggs then though? I mean from what we're told those things could have paid for an entire army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Why give her the dragon eggs then though? I mean from what we're told those things could have paid for an entire army. but that's not even enough for a faceless man XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarkInWinterhell Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 She gets assassinated, Drogo goes ape shit and seeks to put her Brother Viserys on the throne. While Robert and the realm look at that threat they never see Aegon. Prestidigitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Meliora Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Maybe the plan was for Dany to come through if she's worthy/strong enough and become the perfect Targaryen consort for Aegon? I mean, she's definitely served as a good distraction, but then comes the question already asked of "why give her the super-valuable dragon eggs?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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