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What is the deal with bannermen like they freys and the boltons who have a big history of not getting along with thier rulling houses.

The boltons have been known for killing starks and yet the starks never did anything.

Can major houses like the starks or tullys just strip thier cursed bannerman of all titles and lands.

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Even if you hate your bannermans guts you can't just strip him of power or kill him because he has certain rights and your other vassals wouldn't like it if those rights aren't respected if you don´t have a concrete reason. The Bolton rebellions were a long time ago and even though there might still be some bad blood it isn't like Ned Stark could have had Roose killed just because he was a creepy ass motherfucker and his ancestor was a traitor. If there is actual open rebellion you would obviously be well within your rights to kill the traitors but most people wouldn't totally wipe out houses or strip them of all lands and titles. Tywin isn't most people and his method of dealing with the Reynes is legendary because it was so extreme.


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After all the things I've heard about the Kings Of Winter I still can't believe the Boltons are still alive except that the story demended it.

The Kings Of Winter sounds like people who you don't want to fuck with and after all the houses they extinguished and destroyed to rule the North it's hard to believe that they didn't take out their biggest rivals.

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If there is actual open rebellion you would obviously be well within your rights to kill the traitors but most people wouldn't totally wipe out houses or strip them of all lands and titles. Tywin isn't most people and his method of dealing with the Reynes is legendary because it was so extreme.

It's also worth noting that Tywin's campaign against the Reynes was carried out mostly with Lannister soldiers. If he had to rely on a broad coalition of Western houses, they would been able to pressure him in a more moderate direction.

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In the books Tywin (super hipocritically) told Joffrey why you can just destroy every House that rises up against you.



Because rebellions against lords and kings is always going to happen. Always. There will always be some unhappy lord or peasant who starts a rebellion.



If you're a lord who is known to give honorably treatment to your enemies, they are more willing to come to peace early.



If you're a lord who is known to just destroy root and stem all your enemies all the time, no one is ever going to want to make peace with you ever.


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I agree. And it gets even funnier when the same people claim the morale high ground.

I want the Starks to be better than the Lannisters, and I think they are. But you're fucked either way.

Wipe out a house and you get a reputation as a brutal asshole who overreacted.

Don't wipe out a house and you get a reputation as a pushover or someone who can't defend himself.

If the Starks had wiped out the Boltons the line would be how cruel and unforgiving they are. But since they didn't, the line instead is that the Starks were nuts for not wiping the Boltons out a thousand years ago.

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Starks of yore may have been guarding the status quo. If you declare war on your biggest ally, there is some possibility that you will lose. Even if you win it can cost you a lot of soldiers that you need for other wars.



You could just as well ask why the Tullys haven't crushed the Freys, the the Martells haven't crushed the Yronwoods, and the Tyrells only recently did for the Florents. But that could cost them the aliegance of Randyll Tarly. Sometimes it's easier to just be frienemies.


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Starks of yore may have been guarding the status quo. If you declare war on your biggest ally, there is some possibility that you will lose. Even if you win it can cost you a lot of soldiers that you need for other wars.

You could just as well ask why the Tullys haven't crushed the Freys, the the Martells haven't crushed the Yronwoods, and the Tyrells only recently did for the Florents. But that could cost them the aliegance of Randyll Tarly. Sometimes it's easier to just be frienemies.

Boltons have never been the biggest Stark allies. The Tullys haven't had any rebellions from the Freys. The Martells, well, that's a legitimate question. The Tyrells didn't have any reason to punish the Florents other than being annoying.

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