francisco of house avila Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What is the deal with bannermen like they freys and the boltons who have a big history of not getting along with thier rulling houses. The boltons have been known for killing starks and yet the starks never did anything. Can major houses like the starks or tullys just strip thier cursed bannerman of all titles and lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The Starks could have done it to the Boltons. The authority of the Tullys over the Freys descends from the Iron Throne so I'm sure if they tried the King could overrule them if they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It's called realpolitik. By the way, the last time the Boltons rebelled against the Starks was a millenium ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 If go around stripping bannermen, even those of questionable loyalty, of their lands and titles then you are going to find yourself overthrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Lannister Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Are you hoping for the Starks and Tullys to do to the Boltons and Freys the same thing the Lannisters did to the Reynes and Tarbecks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Standard operating procedure: beat them into submission, then accept fealty. And the Starks got what, seven centuries of leal service out of the Boltons? That's more than twice as long as House Targaryen got out anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Vaes Tolorro Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Are you hoping for the Starks and Tullys to do to the Boltons and Freys the same thing the Lannisters did to the Reynes and Tarbecks? That would be nice, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Beefheart Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Even if you hate your bannermans guts you can't just strip him of power or kill him because he has certain rights and your other vassals wouldn't like it if those rights aren't respected if you don´t have a concrete reason. The Bolton rebellions were a long time ago and even though there might still be some bad blood it isn't like Ned Stark could have had Roose killed just because he was a creepy ass motherfucker and his ancestor was a traitor. If there is actual open rebellion you would obviously be well within your rights to kill the traitors but most people wouldn't totally wipe out houses or strip them of all lands and titles. Tywin isn't most people and his method of dealing with the Reynes is legendary because it was so extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 After all the things I've heard about the Kings Of Winter I still can't believe the Boltons are still alive except that the story demended it. The Kings Of Winter sounds like people who you don't want to fuck with and after all the houses they extinguished and destroyed to rule the North it's hard to believe that they didn't take out their biggest rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well, there are a few fringe (not fringe as in nuts, but out of the mainstream) theories that think the Boltons and Starks are connected in some way, and that's why the Boltons were never wiped out. Like, a supernatural connection that links them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 If there is actual open rebellion you would obviously be well within your rights to kill the traitors but most people wouldn't totally wipe out houses or strip them of all lands and titles. Tywin isn't most people and his method of dealing with the Reynes is legendary because it was so extreme. It's also worth noting that Tywin's campaign against the Reynes was carried out mostly with Lannister soldiers. If he had to rely on a broad coalition of Western houses, they would been able to pressure him in a more moderate direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 That would be nice, yes. It's always nice when people want the good guys to behave just as despicably as the villains. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Not worth the risk of starting a war with powerful vassals, powerful vassals that may influence other vassals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucionLannister Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 In the books Tywin (super hipocritically) told Joffrey why you can just destroy every House that rises up against you. Because rebellions against lords and kings is always going to happen. Always. There will always be some unhappy lord or peasant who starts a rebellion. If you're a lord who is known to give honorably treatment to your enemies, they are more willing to come to peace early. If you're a lord who is known to just destroy root and stem all your enemies all the time, no one is ever going to want to make peace with you ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's always nice when people want the good guys to behave just as despicably as the villains. :P I agree. And it gets even funnier when the same people claim the morale high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I agree. And it gets even funnier when the same people claim the morale high ground. I want the Starks to be better than the Lannisters, and I think they are. But you're fucked either way. Wipe out a house and you get a reputation as a brutal asshole who overreacted. Don't wipe out a house and you get a reputation as a pushover or someone who can't defend himself. If the Starks had wiped out the Boltons the line would be how cruel and unforgiving they are. But since they didn't, the line instead is that the Starks were nuts for not wiping the Boltons out a thousand years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 ^They wiped out the Greystarks. They might as well have gone all the way with it and got rid of the Boltons too. Weren't the Boltons running around wearing the skin of flayed Starks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Starks of yore may have been guarding the status quo. If you declare war on your biggest ally, there is some possibility that you will lose. Even if you win it can cost you a lot of soldiers that you need for other wars. You could just as well ask why the Tullys haven't crushed the Freys, the the Martells haven't crushed the Yronwoods, and the Tyrells only recently did for the Florents. But that could cost them the aliegance of Randyll Tarly. Sometimes it's easier to just be frienemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Starks of yore may have been guarding the status quo. If you declare war on your biggest ally, there is some possibility that you will lose. Even if you win it can cost you a lot of soldiers that you need for other wars. You could just as well ask why the Tullys haven't crushed the Freys, the the Martells haven't crushed the Yronwoods, and the Tyrells only recently did for the Florents. But that could cost them the aliegance of Randyll Tarly. Sometimes it's easier to just be frienemies. Boltons have never been the biggest Stark allies. The Tullys haven't had any rebellions from the Freys. The Martells, well, that's a legitimate question. The Tyrells didn't have any reason to punish the Florents other than being annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theon {HUNGRY WOLF} Stark Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Standard operating procedure: beat them into submission, then accept fealty. And the Starks got what, seven centuries of leal service out of the Boltons? That's more than twice as long as House Targaryen got out anyone. 10 centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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