BigFatCoward Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31082294 impressive marksmanship by the little man there, taking out 2 morons with one bullet. so my main question is there not a criminal offence of improper control of a firearm (in countries where they are legal)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercenaryChef Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31082294 impressive marksmanship by the little man there, taking out 2 morons with one bullet. so my main question is, is there, or should there be a criminal offence of improper control of a firearm (in countries where they are legal). a really aggressive title to the thread. but, i have to stand with your passion on it. maybe not shot, but at least arrested, charged and their precious gun rights stripped. just off the top of my head i can think of these events: kid with the uzi. her parents should be charged and the place should be forbidden from allowing kids to handle automatic weapons. toddler in idaho took her mother's legally carried concealed weapon from her purse and killed her in a walmart. another child shot his infant brother with a gun he found in the home. tennessee child killed a sheriff's deputy who left a gun out at a family gathering. here is a good article explaining things. we have many states that have no statutes on charging adults who let a gun fall into the hands of a child! awesome! the firearms fetish that dominates america is something that i find foreign despite this being my lifelong home and i hunted and handled guns my entire life. mandatory child safety locks and firearms training is not something that the more hardcore gun lovers will ever stand for. 'how can i save my home from intruders if it is locked up?' yeah, good luck with this, bfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 the firearm fundamentalist by definition believes that the right to bear arms is the foundation of all other rights, and is therefore anterior to them, including the right to life. ergo, there can be no restriction on the right to bear arms, even in derogation of the right to life. cold dead hands indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 the firearm fundamentalist by definition believes that the right to bear arms is the foundation of all other rights, and is therefore anterior to them, including the right to life. ergo, there can be no restriction on the right to bear arms, even in derogation of the right to life. cold dead hands indeed. How was this expressed in the days before gunpowder existed? Did rights not exist then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 How was this expressed in the days before gunpowder existed? Did rights not exist then? Nothing existed until God called down upon the men and inscribed these rights to parchment in the blood of freedom. Or, to state it another way, 'guns and the founding of the USA go hand in hand.' - MC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddington Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Right to bear arms in the English Bill of rights, although not so sure it applied to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 a really aggressive title to the thread. but, i have to stand with your passion on it. maybe not shot, but at least arrested, charged and their precious gun rights stripped. just off the top of my head i can think of these events: kid with the uzi. her parents should be charged and the place should be forbidden from allowing kids to handle automatic weapons. toddler in idaho took her mother's legally carried concealed weapon from her purse and killed her in a walmart. another child shot his infant brother with a gun he found in the home. tennessee child killed a sheriff's deputy who left a gun out at a family gathering. here is a good article explaining things. we have many states that have no statutes on charging adults who let a gun fall into the hands of a child! awesome! the firearms fetish that dominates america is something that i find foreign despite this being my lifelong home and i hunted and handled guns my entire life. mandatory child safety locks and firearms training is not something that the more hardcore gun lovers will ever stand for. 'how can i save my home from intruders if it is locked up?' yeah, good luck with this, bfc. Hmm… most 'hardcore gun lovers' that I know are pretty carful with their firearms around their kids. Safety locks, fingerprint safes (the preferred method), or use out and out gun safes are used to prevent these mishaps. Dylan has been around guns his whole life, at 13 he's shot, and killed enough stuff to hopefully respect and be comfortable around the fire arms he owns. Teaching them proper protocols when around the weapons, and to know that is a tool used to kill.. and nothing else, is important early on in their gun handling education. We've done alright, I think, when it comes to him and guns. People can, as they can with all things, be irresponsible though. Leading to these unfortunate mishaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 My stepfather has always had guns- he grew up hunting and still does so to this day. But he NEVER left them loaded. And he NEVER left them in an accessible place. And he NEVER had the ammunition in the same place as the guns. It was always put up in a lockbox in his closet. He taught us gun safety from the very start. Anyone who leaves a loaded gun in a place where a young child can get it is a fucking moron and I hope the law does prosecute them for negligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 There should be stiff penalties for people who cause injury through neglegant storage or handling of firearms. That is in no way incompatable with a fundamental right to keep and bear firearms subject to reasonable regulation. Such regulations of neglegant storage would be part of the reasonable regulation of the right to keep and bear arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 That is in no way incompatable with a fundamental right to keep and bear firearms subject to reasonable regulation.Off topic butIs that right really necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 LolI bet nobody has asked that question before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello World Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Off topic butIs that right really necessary? If I can’t shoot things then what’s the point of anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Elizabeth,Thus you state the source of uncounted debates on this forum over the last 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 So is there and old thread about it somewhere anyone recommends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 So is there and old thread about it somewhere anyone recommends? I'll save you the trouble: Some of us like guns, and consider ourselves responsible gun owners. We also feel that it is a fundamental right as American citizens to own one (or in my case, many) Some of us hate guns, and consider all gun owners irresponsible and dangerous. They also feel that the right is outdated and needs to be revised. Those on the board that live in parts unknown, and don't have the right to own firearms, can't understand the american obsession with the whole affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'll save you the trouble: Some of us like guns, and consider ourselves responsible gun owners. We also feel that it is a fundamental right as American citizens to own one (or in my case, many) Some of us hate guns, and consider all gun owners irresponsible and dangerous. They also feel that the right is outdated and needs to be revised. Those on the board that live in parts unknown, and don't have the right to own firearms, can't understand the american obsession with the whole affair. You forgot people like me, who don't like guns personally and think there should be more laws and regulations, but have no problem with responsible people owning guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'll save you the trouble: Some of us like guns, and consider ourselves responsible gun owners. We also feel that it is a fundamental right as American citizens to own one (or in my case, many) Some of us hate guns, and consider all gun owners irresponsible and dangerous. They also feel that the right is outdated and needs to be revised. Those on the board that live in parts unknown, and don't have the right to own firearms, can't understand the american obsession with the whole affair.Three interesting approaches.Like, hate and foreign.edited for spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Egg Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 People can, as they can with all things, be irresponsible though. Leading to these unfortunate mishaps. I wouldn't call that a "mishap".A mishap is something you can't see coming. What do you expect if you leave a charged and loaded gun in your bag and let your child play near it, let alone have him look for his iPod in that ?That can't be a mishap, no more than hurting someone when driving completely drunk in a pedestrian area is. Off topic butIs that right really necessary?Necessary?Not at all.But americans seem to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The Egg,The "necessity" of a right to keep and bear arm is a matter for some debate and discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB. Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Can one have any sort of gun or only a tiny one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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