Lord Thaeglei of Frostpyre Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Something keeps bothering me regarding the past queens of Westeros; and that if the Lady Larra Rogare of Lys ever held the title of Queen of the Seven Kingdoms when her husband Viserys II Targaryen ascended the Iron Throne in 171 AC.. The thing is, i know that the Lady Larra abandoned the then Prince Viserys when he was still nothing more but a prince, but then again, they were never divorced nor was it claimed that their marriage was null and void.. A similar fate can be said to the Lady Ceryse Hightower, first wife of the the Prince Maegor Targaryen.. We all know that Maegor set Ceryse aside and took to wife the Lady Alys Harroway, but still, their marriage was not null and void thus still making the Lady Ceryse, Queen of the Seven Kingdoms.. Now thinking, when the Lady Larra left Prince Viserys and their children for her native Lys, it was never mentioned and claimed that their marriage was disolved.. So therefore, when Viserys II ascended the Iron Throne, Larra Rogare still, by right of a valid and widely recognized marriage, also ascended as Viserys II's Lyseni queen.. Another parallel in real-life was Caroline of Brunswick, who was the wife of King George IV.. The two had a troubled marriage and Caroline practically lived in exiled and yet she was still considered as the rightful queen of the United Kingdom.. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Drew Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I do not recognize her as a Queen Consort. However your arguments are very persuasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 She was dead. She died in 145. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Yes, Larra died in 145 AC, back in Lys. I imagine that Maegor formally put aside/dissolved his marriage to Ceryse - or considered it as such - following his own ascension to the Iron Throne in 42 AC. The important fact there would also be that Ceryse was most likely neither at court when Maegor took the throne, nor at his side when Maegor was formally crowned and anointed by the High Septon in Oldtown - if Maegor was ever formally crowned (which is quite likely, as he apparently went to Oldtown with Visenya following his victory of the Faith Militant). Thus it would be rather difficult to consider her an official queen, especially since it is very likely that both Alys and Tyanna were considered queens at this point (although I imagine Alys was 'the primary queen' until her downfall in 44 AC, as she was a noblewoman and a Westerosi, and Maegor made her father his Hand, whereas Tyanna was a bastard-born foreigner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Drew Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Here's to another Queen Who Never Was, :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Larra died before her husband became king, thus she was never a queen. The same for Maekar's wife, Dyanna Dayne, btw. There is nothing to suggest that Maegors marriage to Ceryse Hightower was undone. I imagine, that had he done so, Yandel would have mentioned it when discussing her marriage and death.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardstone Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Isn't there a discrepancy in the book regarding when Ceryse died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Alys' death is wrong. TWoIaF states 48 AC, when in fact it was 44 AC - this comes directly from Ran, there was no way to deduce that from something else, if I'm not mistaken. Come to think of that - this means that Tyanna was Maegor's only queen from 44-47 AC, which could be a hint that Tyanna was actually barren, and did indeed sabotage Maegor's attempt to conceive children with Alys, Jeyne, and Elinor. On the other, he was married to Alys since 39 AC, and she only first got pregnant in 44 AC, so that means there clearly were issues with Maegor's seed... Ceryse died in 45 AC in Oldtown, either of sickness or because she was murdered on Maegor's command. The latter would make sense if the Hightowers thought the execution of Alys and her father and the downfall of House Harroway could lead to Ceryse's restoration. On the other hand, I doubt that Ceryse ever was considered to be queen by Maegor, as 'The Sons of the Dragon' stated that she left KL for Oldtown during the reign of Aenys - after Murmison could not make her fertile - and there is no reason to believe that Maegor called her back after he had ascended the Iron Throne. 42-44 AC the Harroways were at the height of their power, it seems, as Lord Lucas effectively ruled the Realm while Maegor was warring and overseeing the construction of the Red Keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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