Zyxw Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have been thinking about the series and cannot shake the feeling that this is now on the way down or so, at least in comparison to last season. Last season almost every episode had big storylines and plots to cover for example - Purple wedding, Jon and Yrigttes courtship, Tyrions trial, battle at the wall showcasing mammoths and giants, Vipers battle, only cat, Stannis's smash and Tywins death to name a few. The issues I can see with future seasons :- 1. The actors (Charles Dance, Rose and Pedro etc.) will undoubtedly leave big shoes to fill. Not so in the books but on TV.2. Having caught upto the books or being thereabouts the show has to fly solo. Hard to see the quality remaining the same since coming up with plots within only a couple of months a year is going to compare to countless reviews and rewrites by GRRM for each book taking around 4-7 years.3. While there are still some great storylines left almost half of them have been resolved or not as interesting from a TV prospective. Can't see where they go from here. Arya seems to have stuff to do for this season but not sure what story remains for "TV" for following seasons.4. Bran is likely not to appear for a season and half which leaves more holes. Don't really think there is much interesting to Dany on TV this season except a scene or two at the climax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyman Manderly's Meat Pies Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIMGmbbx37ANot if they cast Ian McNeice as Manderly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmassedFX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 We already know that D&D are diverging bits and pieces from the original aSoIaF series, and when they have done so (Talisa stabbing, Craster pt 3, Brienne v Hound, etc...) they usually have done well. Now, that's not to say in some instances they could have done better, but that is a given. As you say, we're at a crossroads in regards to the book readers' starting to not be able to expect anything, seeing as how D&D have pretty much caught up with GRRM, and now the show is a big question mark as we do not fully know what lies ahead in store for Season 6, 7, movie?, etc... My perspective on this is that this is a GOOD thing. D&D know they have to write interesting material to cover some of the non-action or not-so-much-intrigue scenes from AFFC and ADWD. GOT has such a large following I doubt they're worried about losing a couple thousand watchers, but lets be honest. If they had ANY fear of that happening, all they would have to do is add a few more sex scenes to season 5 and the intrigue is back. Not saying that it makes for good TV (also not saying that it doesn't), but the average viewer, especially Unsullied, has nothing else to compare to. They can just assume it was all part of the original plot and move on from there. As for us book readers, (and this is all subjective of course) I believe there are plenty of elements in AFFC and ADWD that they can portray to keep interest at a high level. Jon's arc, Cersei's arc, and Arya's arc are more internalized as their growth (or decline in Cersei's case) stems from them developing their own respective roles in their own respective situations. I'm interested to see how D&D handle these developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One And Only Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The books have peaked. So far the show has not shown signs of peaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsug Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 No the show just keeps getting better and better. The quality of the show does not rest on GRRM's involvement. D&D are damn good at what they do and could literally make Cersei eating lunch be full of twists, intrigues, innuendos, and drama. They're the best. And the acting is superb. The sets breathtaking. The battles intense. The romance steamy. The effects amazing. This show gets a 10/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The books have peaked. So far the show has not shown signs of peaking. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumond Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I´m not concerned either. I think there is much left from feast and dance that would make for awesome tv. Spoiler Mereen could be breath taking: rebellion, daznaks pit even a full out war,...We will see Tyrion arriving there. That alone will make for awesome moments when fan favourites Dany and Tyrion meet...The whole Jon becomes LC-story. And the caesaring will be a huge wtf-moment.Cerseis descendence into madness and her walk of shame will be amazing. Lena can pull that.Sansa and LF seem to be up to something big.Dorne looks amazing in the trailer, the sand snakes could be a new fan favourite. They have everything you need: pretty girls and bad asses.Hardhome really has me pumped up. Dead things in the water!!Boltons in the north could be interesting too. Perhaps they already dip into the battle of ice?Davos search for Rickon could be quite something.Sam in Braavos/Oldtown...What I hope we will see: More White Walkers. I think they will show them. These Hardhome bits from the trailer look very promising.What I hope despite knowing better: Arya warging Ser Pounce. I would love that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Nope. But I think this will be the breaking point for the books. Either the changes will be good and Unsullied will be all "AMAZING!" or book readers will tear it apart, which eventually also landslide to the Unsullied and that won't be good. Not to say that the show will spoil book readers and some of them won't like it because they will let their opinions being heard. Ratings won't change, though. Unsullied don't know what is changed or not, and they don't even care about inconsistencies, contradictions or lack of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyxw Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 I probably wasn't that clear but I did not intend to make this about book vs the show. I have no issue with changes, in fact quite the opposite but I digress. My point was mostly a question of effects of time on quality and loss of actors (not characters - they are dime a dozen in the saga). In the past the producers could look at the books and adapt, make additions and changes. Now though maybe for latter part of this season but definitely the other 2 planned ones they are undoubtedly faced with more workload in the creativity department where they need to make stuff for 10 episodes in a few months. In my experience with hollywood/tv scripts, I've often found a good start with lots of thought and effort often followed by waning/demise of storyline as the movie/show progresses. I have no doubt the show will still be good if not great but it is going to be more challenging than ever before. The books have peaked. So far the show has not shown signs of peaking. P.s: I certainly agree the books have peaked somewhat as he's not likely to add characters which was one of its core strengths previously.What I find interesting is that over at the WoW forums a lot of people are awaiting WoW as if it will resolve everything - conveniently forgetting that there will be another long hard wait to DoS meaning WoW might just create more questions than answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2908 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Nope. But I think this will be the breaking point for the books. Either the changes will be good and Unsullied will be all "AMAZING!" or book readers will tear it apart, which eventually also landslide to the Unsullied and that won't be good. Not to say that the show will spoil book readers and some of them won't like it because they will let their opinions being heard.Ratings won't change, though. Unsullied don't know what is changed or not, and they don't even care about inconsistencies, contradictions or lack of sense.Now we will be seeing Show-watchers spoiling it for the book reader's lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Now we will be seeing Show-watchers spoiling it for the book reader's lmao We still have a lot of information the Unsullied don't have. muahahahahhahahaah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumond Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 We still have a lot of information the Unsullied don't have.muahahahahhahahaah... I also think it still pays to know more of the background, the history, the characters thoughts and so on. I really look forward to decipher the show with all that knowledge. D&D did some significant "fan-service" already that was completly lost on the Unsullied. I hope for more :)...And I hereby vow to be an insufferable know-it-all till the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Unsullied don't know what is changed or not, and they don't even care about inconsistencies, contradictions or lack of sense. Dude, because you're watching something and not reading it doesn't mean you're stupid. Unless I misunderstand you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Dude, because you're watching something and not reading it doesn't mean you're stupid. Unless I misunderstand you. I mean about things like Yarasha's impossible journey or the fact Unsullied won't ever know about the amazing arc of Jaime in the Riverlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilusmagnus Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I mean about things like Yarasha's impossible journey or the fact Unsullied won't ever know about the amazing arc of Jaime in the Riverlands. Do you mean inconsistencies compared to the books or inconsistencies within the show itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Do you mean inconsistencies compared to the books or inconsistencies within the show itself? Both. Or either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmassedFX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I probably wasn't that clear but I did not intend to make this about book vs the show. I have no issue with changes, in fact quite the opposite but I digress. My point was mostly a question of effects of time on quality and loss of actors (not characters - they are dime a dozen in the saga). In the past the producers could look at the books and adapt, make additions and changes. Now though maybe for latter part of this season but definitely the other 2 planned ones they are undoubtedly faced with more workload in the creativity department where they need to make stuff for 10 episodes in a few months. In my experience with hollywood/tv scripts, I've often found a good start with lots of thought and effort often followed by waning/demise of storyline as the movie/show progresses. This is a purely subjective...subject. :dunno: Regardless, I have to disagree on principle alone. We don't know what D&D, nor what GRRM have in store for us. 3000 pages in two books. At least two more HBO seasons, if not 3 or 4. Possibly a movie. Usually in literature, the climax of the plot is usually near the 80-95% range of the overall story and we've just made it past halfway (so we think). In a sense, this could be all "filler" for some real crazy shit to drop in tWOW and aDOS. Don't get me wrong, I can think of a few shows that have ran past their time and the last few seasons of its tenure have been abysmal, but at the same time I can think of many other shows that have been opposite and brought down the house with the final season. Its all about the staff, and D&D have given me no indication of their inability to keep the audience engaged. Point I'm trying to make is that we just really don't know. You point out that there are alot of characters that have left the show and there are large holes to fill for the TV audience to remain engaged, but the fact remains that GRRM's world is a huge world! Not only does it provide breadth like that of JRRT's world, but it also provides so much depth. I've often felt that we don't see nearly as much as we'd like due to time and budget constraints and by eliminating time spent on characters who've already died, we can now focus on others to highlight their arcs. Or hell, maybe in season 6 we get new (new for the Unsullied) characters such as the Greyjoys, Glovers, or Manderlys to fill such voids. I think it all boils down as to whether or not you trust D&D to make it enjoyable as the series comes to a climax. Are we getting our Six Feet Under / Breaking Bad / MASH final seasons or are we getting LOST / Dexter / SOA final seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotcat Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I wouldn't say that the show has peaked. If anything, it's gone from strength to strength each year. However I do think this season may be the breaking point for the die hard book reading fans. Either the changes from the books - which will more than likely increase now that we are at the stage we're at - will be accepted or they will not. To be fair to D&D, the changes they've made have largely made sense and been successful, though that's not to say that they couldn't have done some things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralKyrd Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The show will gain momentum continuously, provided there aren't any serious lapses of judgement in the writing. They have the actors, the budget, the directors, the crew... it all hinges on how AFFC/ADWD flow together once adapted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The books have peaked. So far the show has not shown signs of peaking. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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