Jon Snow's mother and Ned Stark

[Raaplexis]

So, in the very first book, Ned says to Jon before they split up and one goes south, and one goes north that "The next time we meet, we'll discuss who you're mother is."

As we all should know, but if you haven't read book five, stop reading. Jon Snow got pretty fucked up. Do you think Ned and Jon are going to have a conversation in the afterlife about who Jon's mother is? I mean, it's not entirely impossible. I mean we have fires that show people hundreds of miles away, people coming back to life, and fucking dragons. I don't think the concept of afterlife has been talked about much in the story, even though there is like 3 or 4 different religions. And Jon and Ned both worshiped the Old Gods. Perhaps its possible. (Or I need sleep and should stop theorizing stupid thing) What do you guys think? Would it be nice, or terrible? Perhaps you want it to remain unknown leaving us fans to be butthurt years after the stories end. Or do you think will we find out a different way?

[sj4iy]

So, in the very first book, Ned says to Jon before they split up and one goes south, and one goes north that "The next time we meet, we'll discuss who you're mother is."

He said it in the show, not the book.

As we all should know, but if you haven't read book five, stop reading. Jon Snow got pretty fucked up. Do you think Ned and Jon are going to have a conversation in the afterlife about who Jon's mother is? I mean, it's not entirely impossible. I mean we have fires that show people hundreds of miles away, people coming back to life, and fucking dragons. I don't think the concept of afterlife has been talked about much in the story, even though there is like 3 or 4 different religions. And Jon and Ned both worshiped the Old Gods. Perhaps its possible. (Or I need sleep and should stop theorizing stupid thing) What do you guys think? Would it be nice, or terrible? Perhaps you want it to remain unknown leaving us fans to be butthurt years after the stories end. Or do you think will we find out a different way?

No clue. It happens how it happens, I guess. I don't really care how it happens so long as it happens in the near future. I'm tired of the R+L=J debates.

[aryagonnakill#2]

I believe that Jons dream in the beginning of Dance is a prophetic Targ dream and that he will be inside ghost in the beginning of Winds and will come upon a weirwood where Bran will be able to speak to him. Either that or while Jon is unconscious Bran will be able to reach out to him like BR did to him. Either way it does seem possible that bran could share a vision of Ned talking in front of the Winterfell Weirwood. But talking in the afterlife, I sure hope not.

[Lord Fauntleroy]

I'm thinking that R + L got married the Old Way, before a heart tree, and Bran can see it and tell Jon as the poster above me said.

[Raaplexis]

He said it in the show, not the book.

No clue. It happens how it happens, I guess. I don't really care how it happens so long as it happens in the near future. I'm tired of the R+L=J dates.

Oh, only in the show? Pardon me, I was just rewatching and I'm too lazy to skim through Game of Thrones again to find one piece of dialogue. In that case, there must be some sort of relevance as to why they added that in then. Since the creators know exactly how the story ends and shit. And same, I don't like R+L=J theories. It seems to try hard tbh. I used to like it, then everyone started preaching it like it's the truth.

[Raaplexis]

I believe that Jons dream in the beginning of Dance is a prophetic Targ dream and that he will be inside ghost in the beginning of Winds and will come upon a weirwood where Bran will be able to speak to him. Either that or while Jon is unconscious Bran will be able to reach out to him like BR did to him. Either way it does seem possible that bran could share a vision of Ned talking in front of the Winterfell Weirwood. But talking in the afterlife, I sure hope not.

I could see that as well, considering the Weirwood trees are technically the Old Gods if you believe the Children. Assuming that Jon even does come back to life by Red Whore and the Flaming R'hllor I just hope we do find out who his mother is. It would be quite interesting to see it actually be a whore that Ned betrayed Catelyn with during the war. That would shed an entirely new aspect of Ned's character and change Jon's perspective on a lot of things. I don't know this just came to me and I lost my mind. It was like... it was there the whole time and I didn't catch it. (Though apparently its only on the show, so this shouldn't even be on this forum I guess)

[sj4iy]

I'm thinking that R + L got married the Old Way, before a heart tree, and Bran can see it and tell Jon as the poster above me said.

I agree. They were right next to the Isle of Faces, perfect place to get married. BR/Bran would both be able to see it through the trees. And we know that Ned prayed in front of the tree at Winterfell. So it's very likely Jon could learn that from them. Or Howland Reed. Or someone else that was there.

Lots of possibilities. I do think Jon will be the 'dragon' that wakes from stone in the prophecy, though.

[Falcon2908]

Jon is not dead. He wargs into ghost before dying. Melisandre will resurrect him and then jon will warg back into his body.

But jon and ned talking to each other in the after life sounds cool

[Bryaugh]

What does this have to do with the world book? I think this of the wrong place for this OP.

[Voice]

What does this have to do with the world book? I think this of the wrong place for this OP.

word.

[Bael's Bastard]

Oh, only in the show? Pardon me, I was just rewatching and I'm too lazy to skim through Game of Thrones again to find one piece of dialogue. In that case, there must be some sort of relevance as to why they added that in then. Since the creators know exactly how the story ends and shit. And same, I don't like R+L=J theories. It seems to try hard tbh. I used to like it, then everyone started preaching it like it's the truth.

R+L=J is truth, whether you like it or not. There is no other explanation in the realm of possibility.

[sj4iy]

Oh, only in the show? Pardon me, I was just rewatching and I'm too lazy to skim through Game of Thrones again to find one piece of dialogue. In that case, there must be some sort of relevance as to why they added that in then. Since the creators know exactly how the story ends and shit. And same, I don't like R+L=J theories. It seems to try hard tbh. I used to like it, then everyone started preaching it like it's the truth.

It's not about liking it or not liking it. It's part of the story. As the poster above said, there are no other possibilities that answer all of the questions. If there were, then it would be up for debate. But in 20 years, nothing has come close.

[Taemlyn Blackfyre]

The WOIAF Book actually does touch on this subject, confirming Lyanna's disappearance as the event that set in motion the dominoes that fell to foment the Rebellion. It doesn't exactly explain things such the time gap between the tourney and Lyanna's actual disappearance, but neither does it set up the Rhaegar as baddie scenario as Book One does. Why on Earth include a tourney in the events unless it was to frame the alternate romantic angle? The World Book neither confirms nor denies the R + L = J theory, but it doesn't have to.

The only twist I could envision would be that Lyanna had twins and Ned had them separated to ensure their safety, which could also connect to Faegon. Let's call it the R + L = J + A? Theory and feel as free as you like to shoot it down because it is still more likely than any other theory barring the obvious choice.

[GHOSTSTARK]

Jon is not dead. He wargs into ghost before dying. Melisandre will resurrect him and then jon will warg back into his body.

But jon and ned talking to each other in the after life sounds cool

yesss

imo....

Jons crypt dreams always have him waking up before he enters the darkness of the crypt. when he goes into his comatose stage he wont be able to wake up and then will he be able to finish his dream and see who is waiting for him down in the crypts. which is likely to be Ned himself or Lyanna. i think it'll be Ned on the count when he died Bran had his dream and was with Ned in the crypts and he was sad and Bran said he was sad for Jon

[joluoto2]

I agree. They were right next to the Isle of Faces, perfect place to get married. BR/Bran would both be able to see it through the trees. And we know that Ned prayed in front of the tree at Winterfell. So it's very likely Jon could learn that from them. Or Howland Reed. Or someone else that was there.

Lots of possibilities. I do think Jon will be the 'dragon' that wakes from stone in the prophecy, though.

The whole they were married thing is more fanfic than theory. There has been no sign that there was any marriage. On the contrary it's very unlikely since Rhaegar already was married.

I also doubt that there will be any dragon waking up from stone. I think the prophecies of returning Messiah figures are all misleads. However I think some of the characters (Jon included) will be considered legendary heroes and messianic figures by later generations, and myths will be born that they will return or be reborn.

[LmL]

I believe that Jons dream in the beginning of Dance is a prophetic Targ dream and that he will be inside ghost in the beginning of Winds and will come upon a weirwood where Bran will be able to speak to him. Either that or while Jon is unconscious Bran will be able to reach out to him like BR did to him. Either way it does seem possible that bran could share a vision of Ned talking in front of the Winterfell Weirwood. But talking in the afterlife, I sure hope not.

Great catch! That was probably a vision of the future, you're right. Jon-Ghost the wolf will find his ways to the grove of 9, most likely, and will talk to Bran through the trees. Mel shows up to add the fire - ice and fire magic together to wake Jon, the Ice dragon. And yes, I agree, it makes a lot of sense to have Bran showing Jon a conversation where Ned is talking to the tree, telling the only one he can about his secret - the old gods.

[LmL]

yesss

imo....

Jons crypt dreams always have him waking up before he enters the darkness of the crypt. when he goes into his comatose stage he wont be able to wake up and then will he be able to finish his dream and see who is waiting for him down in the crypts. which is likely to be Ned himself or Lyanna. i think it'll be Ned on the count when he died Bran had his dream and was with Ned in the crypts and he was sad and Bran said he was sad for Jon

Another great catch - he does always wake up before he gets all the way down there. This is an excellent prediction, that he will finally finish the dream. He'll either get a big clue about his lineage or will realize it straight out.