DanteGabriel Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I find the interview "humilty" to be kind of contrived, to be honest. I'll admit that I don't have much in the way of proof outside of my own visceral reaction to hearing him speak. The whole "my feelings are hurt" take during the Deflategate thing is one example. Really Tom? Your multi-millionaire, super-model marrying, multiple superbowl ring wearing sensibilities were trod upon? Boo-fucking-hoo. The manner in which he mocked both Baltimore and Indy right after the PSI: New England allegations was pretty annoying as well. That being said, I'm okay with this sort of thing being defined as "haters gonna hate", because if the guy hadn't achieved the level of success he has, I doubt he'd even have my attention. I posted before, at some length, about how I didn't love Brady as much as you'd expect me to love the all-time great QB of my NFL team. A lot of it is related to my own perception that his humility and aw-shucks manner is a little contrived, that he's a little too pretty and too Hollywood for my own sensibilities. So what? We basically expect NFL QBs to be bland and vaguely warm and to perform like a PR professional whenever in front of a camera. Can't fault him for not being as convincing or funny in his public face as Peyton Manning is. I do buy the hurt during Deflategate. Whatever else you want to say about him, the guy works his ass off and basically structures his whole life around playing quarterback. Wouldn't you be hurt if some jackasses tried to use a fake scandal based on under-inflated balls to call you a cheater? Fucking ESPN trotted out everyone he'd ever beat to call him a cheater and a liar. If I were him I'd have been pretty... confrontational when questioned. Don't try an pull that reverse Patscology on me, mister. We all know damn well that if Harvin hits the open market, he'll sign to NE for fifteen dollars an hour, begin distributing clothing to the poor, and promptly play every fucking position on offense and defense. Yes, that means he will line up at center, snap the ball, and Tom Brady will conveniently fumble it into his waiting arms after a distracting triple-reverse. They can't all be Randy Moss (and Randy Moss was only Randy Fucking Moss for a couple of seasons with Brady). Harvin may well end up more like Haynesworth or Joey Galloway. Remember he'd have to learn the Pats' offense, and that's defeated a ton of promising speedy veterans. I admit though -- the talent is tempting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 They can't all be Randy Moss (and Randy Moss was only Randy Fucking Moss for a couple of seasons with Brady). Harvin may well end up more like Haynesworth or Joey Galloway. Remember he'd have to learn the Pats' offense, and that's defeated a ton of promising speedy veterans. I admit though -- the talent is tempting.More tempting than the prospect of the Jets committing large amounts of money to talented but erratic and injury-prone head case for their already dysunctional team? As much as I hate the Pats for their success, I love the Jets for being the Jets. If they ever start making good moves and acting like a professional franchise, I'll be sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 More tempting than the prospect of the Jets committing large amounts of money to talented but erratic and injury-prone head case for their already dysunctional team? Honestly it's tough to want to pile on the Jets because of the last few years they've had. If, as I half-seriously guessed, this Harvin thing is a red herring from Belichick, I'd rather he used his mind-fuck powers on the Bills, because that is a pretty scary defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 H,Since we have no real timeline, how is it baseless? There's a chance it was before they knew and there was a chance it was after. My opinion is it was before, other's is that it was after. Since that is the crux of it, I honestly don't understand how it would be that that opinion is based and mine baseless? I'll freely admit I could be wrong, but I'd stick with my opinion without actual proof though. I'll freely admit that I flat-out don't like him. My opinion in an ambiguous situation is no doubt colored by that fact. The way he comes across in interviews doesn't sit well with me and I can't really give you concrete examples of exactly what it is that irks me, he just does. There are other athletes I feel the same way about too. Alex Rodriguez, for example, also bothers me (even before the steroid crap) and, mind you, I have been a lifelong Yankee fan. When the people involved in the situation say that there is no drama and that everything is kosher between them and there is no evidence to the contrary, then what are you basing your opinion on? Not on the evidence available, but upon your own supposition. That is what makes it...baseless...You can certainly feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I posted before, at some length, about how I didn't love Brady as much as you'd expect me to love the all-time great QB of my NFL team. A lot of it is related to my own perception that his humility and aw-shucks manner is a little contrived, that he's a little too pretty and too Hollywood for my own sensibilities. So what? We basically expect NFL QBs to be bland and vaguely warm and to perform like a PR professional whenever in front of a camera. Can't fault him for not being as convincing or funny in his public face as Peyton Manning is. I do buy the hurt during Deflategate. Whatever else you want to say about him, the guy works his ass off and basically structures his whole life around playing quarterback. Wouldn't you be hurt if some jackasses tried to use a fake scandal based on under-inflated balls to call you a cheater? Fucking ESPN trotted out everyone he'd ever beat to call him a cheater and a liar. If I were him I'd have been pretty... confrontational when questioned. Yeah, I agree that it's basically a "so what". For me it just boils down to there is something about the guy I don't particularly like. Like you said, I just don't quite buy it. It's kind of like Jordan's media persona. It doesn't take anything away from his greatness, I just find it to be mildly annoying. To the last part, I agree *IF* (and that's a big if) there is truly nothing to the allegations. I'm not fully convinced that this is the case. There may not be anything that is provable, but I do think shenanigans occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm not sure what you mean by Jordan's media persona, but the fan's eye view in Chicago was that his greatness as a player was inexorably tied to his being completely batshit insane. And I mean literally insane - he was OCD and frankly sociopathic when it came to basketball. And on the court, it worked, and people loved him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm not sure what you mean by Jordan's media persona, but the fan's eye view in Chicago was that his greatness as a player was inexorably tied to his being completely batshit insane. And I mean literally insane - he was OCD and frankly sociopathic when it came to basketball. And on the court, it worked, and people loved him for it. Well yeah, that's part in parcel to what I'm saying. I'm talking about his Space Jam/McDonald's smiley, Mr. Nice Guy media persona. That's how he was sold outside of sports. Seems to me he managed to sell that facade up until around the whole baseball experiment, then the blinders kind of came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Walker Texas Ranger Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Not related to anything we have been talking about, but my biggest fear as a Pats fan (short of Brady, Belichick, and Kraft leaving) is that the Pats can't wrap up Revis this year. AND THEN Revis ends up in Buffalo with Rex Ryan. That defense is already scary...Ryan will make it better. The Bills offense is just a couple of pieces away from being decent too. The Bills could make a serious push this year for the division. Fortunately, one of those pieces they're missing is the quarterback. The Bills aren't position to get Mariota or Winston this year, and the rest of the Qbs suck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime L Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Robert Mays has an article on how he'd fix the Colts comparing their situation to the Cavs during the early-Lebron years. I think it's a great comparison because we see Ryan Grigson make a ton of the same half-assed "win now" type moves that made the Cavs a bit better but hamstrung them from ever putting together the type of team around Lebron that could win a title. They had all this cap space, all these draft picks over 3 years to complement Luck and virtually zero difference makers. Outside of drafting Luck (which a monkey could have done), Grigson has had two successful moves total: drafting T.Y. Hilton in the 3rd round and trading a 2nd rounder for Vontae Davis. That's it for 3 years with all the advantages possible to rebuild a roster from scratch. He also got hoodwinked by the Browns. I think Mays goes way too easy on Grigson's record. Fixing the Colts is largely a question of whether Grigson is a good GM and so far, I ain't seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.H. Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 H, When the people involved in the situation say that there is no drama and that everything is kosher between them and there is no evidence to the contrary, then what are you basing your opinion on? Not on the evidence available, but upon your own supposition. That is what makes it...baseless...You can certainly feel that way. Just because people say things are fine, doesn't mean they are. The data are ambiguous, my opinion is based on my impression of his character. Rockoi made suppositions of Bridget's character and motivation, based upon what exactly? Nothing, no facts exist pointing at all to her mind-state, or motivation. Even though it was framed as refuting my position, it was actually just his opinion. He can have his, I can have mine, and you can have yours. Let's get back to discussing how bad the Jets can get please. I'm sure they have several really outstanding terrible picks up on their Draft board right now. The question is, which one to pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Kilmore Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just because people say things are fine, doesn't mean they are. The data are ambiguous, my opinion is based on my impression of his character. Rockoi made suppositions of Bridget's character and motivation, based upon what exactly? Nothing, no facts exist pointing at all to her mind-state, or motivation. Even though it was framed as refuting my position, it was actually just his opinion. He can have his, I can have mine, and you can have yours. Let's get back to discussing how bad the Jets can get please. I'm sure they have several really outstanding terrible picks up on their Draft board right now. The question is, which one to pick? Absence of evidence means you can only take people at their word. That is pretty much it, that also really isn't ambiguous. Never said you couldn't have your opinion. And yes, this discussion has exceeded my level of interest in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Let's get back to discussing how bad the Jets can get please. I'm sure they have several really outstanding terrible picks up on their Draft board right now. The question is, which one to pick? Free agency is up next. If we want to be timely, we should discuss what overpriced FA they might be inclined to go after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.H. Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Free agency is up next. If we want to be timely, we should discuss what overpriced FA they might be inclined to go after. You forgot a qualifier there, what washed-up overpriced FA they can get. The sad part of the Jets is that despite all the terrible moves, they defense is still not horribly bad. The offense, however, is so woefully bad that nothing short of a roster clearing can help, I think. Perhaps Ivory and Decker can stay, with maybe some of the line, but really not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howdyphillip Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Reggie Bush was released by Detroit today. The first thing that I thought of was with the probable departure of Ingram, and an unsuccessful year without a change of pace back/receiver type back, wouldn't it be ironic if he would back up in New Orleans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.H. Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Reggie Bush was released by Detroit today. The first thing that I thought of was with the probable departure of Ingram, and an unsuccessful year without a change of pace back/receiver type back, wouldn't it be ironic if he would back up in New Orleans? If not from an actual football perspective (which I think is a reasonable move anyway) I think it would make sense from a marketing perspective at least. People down here seem to like Bush from his time here as far as I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm not sure what you mean by Jordan's media persona, but the fan's eye view in Chicago was that his greatness as a player was inexorably tied to his being completely batshit insane. And I mean literally insane - he was OCD and frankly sociopathic when it came to basketball. And on the court, it worked, and people loved him for it.I know people that spent time around him. He's a complete asshole of the highest degree. He's so competitive he literally stomps children when competing with them...and everything is a competition with him...physically and emotionally. Off the charts bully. In almost every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Anyone see the Mariucci/Winston thing? Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Upon hearing he'd been cut by the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawk's helmet flies off. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/25/packers-cut-a-j-hawk-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I was thinking the Jets would love some Bush, seems to fit their mold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceluby Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Upon hearing he'd been cut by the Green Bay Packers, AJ Hawk's helmet flies off. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/25/packers-cut-a-j-hawk-2/ Look forward to see him in purple next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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