stonecold stoneborn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hi all, I've been following this forum for a while now and this is my first post so please be kind.I have recently been re-watching the show gearing up for the next season when in a scene with craster and the nights watch in season 2 i'm certain he mentioned he had had 99 sons not sure if this is also mentioned in the books as I have only read them through the once, in season 4 we see one of crasters sons being transformed into an other, so does any of you think Gillys son (being the 100th if true) could be of any significance to the rise of the others.Apologies if this has already been discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Welcome to the forums. No, it's not mentioned in the books, though he probably got about as many sons as he had daughters. And no, he isn't related to the rise of Others, at all. Just a superstitious murderer with equally superstitious victims/helpers. None of his sons got transformed into anything but a corpse.The Others existed before the were humans in Westeros. They don't rely on humans for reproduction. The Others still existed before Craster was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well, we know that his superstitions have some basis in fact (more so in the show than the book). The interesting question for me is, for how long has Craster been making those sacrifices? Or rather, how long have the others been taking his sons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys - The last dragon Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well. He do got 99 problems, but as far as I know a son is not one. A weak attempt to be funny:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Craster has been murdering his sons for 30-40 years. On the other hand, the Others have only shown up for the last two years before his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So his sacrifices were just vaguely to the old gods, and lately the others have been scooping them up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Neither nor. Craster is a sick monster who wanted to get rid of any potential competition. Cloaking that in some made-up religious practices makes it easier to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sommerkind Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Welcome to the forums. No, it's not mentioned in the books, though he probably got about as many sons as he had daughters. And no, he isn't related to the rise of Others, at all. Just a superstitious murderer with equally superstitious victims/helpers. None of his sons got transformed into anything but a corpse. The Others existed before the were humans in Westeros. They don't rely on humans for reproduction. The Others still existed before Craster was born. How do you know the Others existed before there were humans in Westeros? I thought the Others first appeared during the long night and at that time the first men already lived in Westeros. Was is mentioned somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Ice Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well. He do got 99 problems, but as far as I know a son is not one. A weak attempt to be funny:( It gave me a laugh! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Hustle Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 How do you know the Others existed before there were humans in Westeros? I thought the Others first appeared during the long night and at that time the first men already lived in Westeros. Was is mentioned somewhere?The book of ice and fire kinda mentions it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 None of his sons got transformed into anything but a corpse. We don't know this. In fact one of Craster's wifes says to Sam that Craster's sons were coming after he died. An odd thing to add in the book if it is false since it is not talked about again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We don't know this. In fact one of Craster's wifes says to Sam that Craster's sons were coming after he died. An odd thing to add in the book if it is false since it is not talked about again. And she's an uneducated, abused woman who had to live with her sons and nephews being murdered by her father/husband for 30-40 years, while she, her daughters, sisters and nieces are raped by him. The crazy and the denial are strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We don't know this. In fact one of Craster's wifes says to Sam that Craster's sons were coming after he died. An odd thing to add in the book if it is false since it is not talked about again. She said the boy's brothers. She didn't say in what form. She could be thinking ghosts come for the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 FreeParking, the show aside, all of the magic we have seen in the series thus far has derived from sacrifice, so it is my theory that the Other sacrifice the babies for the power to resurrect the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavendish Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Well. He do got 99 problems, but as far as I know a son is not one. A weak attempt to be funny:(That was funny. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry the Hair Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Well. He do got 99 problems, but as far as I know a son is not one. A weak attempt to be funny:( Dammit! I was going to type that! XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 FreeParking, the show aside, all of the magic we have seen in the series thus far has derived from sacrifice, so it is my theory that the Other sacrifice the babies for the power to resurrect the dead. That's possible. But if so they should try sacrificing grown ups so that they can get fully functional wights like the R'hllorists do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 FreeParking, the show aside, all of the magic we have seen in the series thus far has derived from sacrifice, so it is my theory that the Other sacrifice the babies for the power to resurrect the dead. Doesn't seem like anything was sacrificed when Mel gave birth to two shadow babies. Stannis is still very much alive. And what about her burning the eagle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Doesn't seem like anything was sacrificed when Mel gave birth to two shadow babies. Stannis is still very much alive. And what about her burning the eagle? Unless what she sacrifices in using that magic is her looks. And that's why she's glamoured. I prefer the idea that she's really old, and possibly undead, but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Wasn't she drawing on Stannis's life essence or fertility or something? That's why she remarks later that he's too weak to do another one. It certainly seems like, whether sacrifice is involved or not, that there's a cost to all the magic used in the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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