YoungGriff89 Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 So in season 2 episode 8, Talisa tells Robb the story of when her brother was drowning and a slave saves him. She mentions in the story she's highborn from Volantis. In season 3 we see she corresponds with her family. So when she stops corresponding and her death becomes known to the Volantenes, why would a highborn family not take any action to avenge their slain daughter? Especially when she was married to a king and that would put their family in a westerosi line of succession on top of being Volantene nobility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of Nightfall Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Unless there was a child of the marriage, Talisa's family is not in Robb's line of succession, and in that scenario only the child would figure in the line of succession. They did set them up enough that I could see them coming into play in some minor fashion when Tyrion and Varys hit Volantis or even later if Volantis comes into play later in Dany's story line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It is a plot hole, but D+D don't really put that much thought into things. There are a lot of plot holes in the show that result from the changes D+D makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unned Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Possible solution would be for her family to hurt a fm (arya) to kill the person responsible. Scenario being, the fm sat at the table all know walder frey so cannot take the job then arya says I'll do it as I don't know him. Closes a possible plot hole and brings arya back to westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It is a plot hole, but D+D don't really put that much thought into things. There are a lot of plot holes in the show that result from the changes D+D makes. I don't think you know what a plot hole is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't think you know what a plot hole is. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man from Nowhere Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Yeah I think we've seen the last of her. Jeyne westerling however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungGriff89 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Loose end is probably a more appropriate way of putting it. It just seems to me like something we probably shouldn't have seen the end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't think you know what a plot hole is. Enlighten me then? This is the exact definition of a plot hole. There is a logical consequence of an event and (unless D+D inserts a new subplot which admittedly is hardly out of the question at this point) it does not happen. For no explained reason. Let's not just blindly defend everything D+D does please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Enlighten me then? This is the exact definition of a plot hole. There is a logical consequence of an event and (unless D+D inserts a new subplot which admittedly is hardly out of the question at this point) it does not happen. For no explained reason. Let's not just blindly defend everything D+D does please. A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. there is no paradox they have no claim to anything. on the other hand let's say that we are told that stannis only found out about joffrey possible being a bastard only because of ned but we are also told the he was with jon investigating if joffrey was a bastard and we know that jon found proof while he was investigating with stannis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Enlighten me then? This is the exact definition of a plot hole. There is a logical consequence of an event and (unless D+D inserts a new subplot which admittedly is hardly out of the question at this point) it does not happen. For no explained reason. Let's not just blindly defend everything D+D does please. In an effort to prove that I'm not "blindly defending D&D, let me say that there are some plot holes in the show, just not as many as some book readers think. Plot holes are inconsistencies that occur without a logical explanation. For example, Littlefinger's jet pack and the Karstarks making up half of Robb's army are some that I consider to be plot holes. But Talisa's family isn't one, since we have no idea if word had reach them across the Narrow Seas, or if they have the resources available to storm a castle as strong as the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. there is no paradox they have no claim to anything. on the other hand let's say that we are told that stannis only found out about joffrey possible being a bastard only because of ned but we are also told the he was with jon investigating if joffrey was a bastard and we know that jon found proof while he was investigating with stannis I would personally define a plot hole more broadly. It is simply something that does not make logical sense in the story. That there is no consequence of killing the daughter of a noble family, especially in a series which prides itself on its intricacies and multiple factions and characters, is to me a plot hole. Certainly it is a logical inconsistency and a flaw in the story. I rather despise semantic arguments so I hope at the very least we can agree that this is a logical inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 It's a loose end, so far. The Maegyrs might fall from the map like the Greyjoys, they may hire an FM to kill Walder Frey or they might assist Tyrion or Dany in exchange for getting Walder Frey's head when they conquer Westeros. For all we know, Varys may have already contacted them and they'll provide Tyrion with safe passage to Mereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 In an effort to prove that I'm not "blindly defending D&D, let me say that there are some plot holes in the show, just not as many as some book readers think. Plot holes are inconsistencies that occur without a logical explanation. For example, Littlefinger's jet pack and the Karstarks making up half of Robb's army are some that I consider to be plot holes. But Talisa's family isn't one, since we have no idea if word had reach them across the Narrow Seas, or if they have the resources available to storm a castle as strong as the Twins. By your definition the number of Karstark forces is not a plot hole. It does not contradict anything previously stated in the plot. It doesn't really make much sense that one house is so disproportionately powerful but I would not say it is inconceivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
239JMFL34109 Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I would personally define a plot hole more broadly. It is simply something that does not make logical sense in the story. That there is no consequence of killing the daughter of a noble family, especially in a series which prides itself on its intricacies and multiple factions and characters, is to me a plot hole. Certainly it is a logical inconsistency and a flaw in the story. I rather despise semantic arguments so I hope at the very least we can agree that this is a logical inconsistency. i cannot define it that way because sometimes people are illogically. by that definition catelyn freeing jaime is a plot hole. it doesn't make any logical sense. Half of what cersei does is a plot hole then too it's a dangling plot line not a plot hole because it can be explained but might never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Wolf Among Sheep Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 nv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon in the North Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 By your definition the number of Karstark forces is not a plot hole. It does not contradict anything previously stated in the plot. It doesn't really make much sense that one house is so disproportionately powerful but I would not say it is inconceivable. I guess that's true. Because we're book readers and know the series slightly better than those who only watch the show, it can be a little frustrating when the showrunners change things that contradicts what we know from the books. However, as long as it doesn't contradict what they've added in the show, I don't think it constitutes as a plot hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungGriff89 Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Some people would consider Robb and Talisa having a wedding in the sight of the Seven a plot hole since he's a northman and she's from another continent where there hasn't been an indication the faith of the seven is a widespread thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jobmartell Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 A plot hole, or plothole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that creates a paradox in the story that cannot be reconciled with any explanation. there is no paradox they have no claim to anything. on the other hand let's say that we are told that stannis only found out about joffrey possible being a bastard only because of ned but we are also told the he was with jon investigating if joffrey was a bastard and we know that jon found proof while he was investigating with stanniseven a definition of a plot hole needs periods. Paradox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeParking Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Some people would consider Robb and Talisa having a wedding in the sight of the Seven a plot hole since he's a northman and she's from another continent where there hasn't been an indication the faith of the seven is a widespread thing. They also had it in front of a tree, since there doesn't seem to be any weirwoods in the south. I assume they were doing a quickie wedding and were just covering as many bases as they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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