foreign675 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 It kind of puzzles me how Brandon could strangle himself to death. One of the things that happens right after you hang yourself, is that 5s or so after blood is not reaching your head you faint and loose conscience. But you're not yet dead. Depending to how much the blood can not circulate well - if at all - dying requires still several minutes. In that time, the body goes through convulsions which 'attempt' tofree the person from the rope by simply pushing. However, Brandon was not really hanged and his body wasn't really suspended from the floor. To strangle himself, he had to push with his own feet. But as soon as he would faint, he would fall back into a position in which the rope is no longer under sufficient tension to make him actually die. This kind of thing kind of puzzles me, I'm not an expert but to my experience such thing is kind of impossible. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaselPie Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 If he fainted, he wouldn't fall back to a standing upright position off the weight of the cord. Fainting would leave him suspended and yes, hanging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreign675 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 If he fainted, he wouldn't fall back to a standing upright position off the weight of the cord. Fainting would leave him suspended and yes, hanging. but the rope needs to be extremely short for him to be left hanging.. so short he can't 'stand' on his knees.. in such a case he wouldn't have any space to stretch for a sword at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The way I figured it, is that the cord used could be pulled tight, but wouldn't release on its own. See it as a kind of cable tie, only without the actual blockade on the chord. So even if Brandon could only strangle himself until he passed out, the cord around his neck would not release, and thus remain too tight, eventually killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Brandon was on his knees with his hands tied behind his back. the rope was a noose around his neck and attached to the wall, so the rope was horizontal when taught. the noose would have cut off the windpipe and he would have choked on his own blood/fluid with all that strain trying to get to Ricky. you are aware the purpose of being hanged in the traditional sense is to break the neck, not to suffocate? Bran suffocated, a million times worse i would think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaselPie Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 but the rope needs to be extremely short for him to be left hanging.. so short he can't 'stand' on his knees.. in such a case he wouldn't have any space to stretch for a sword at all If he is unconscious, he can't stand at all. The sword was just out of his reach, not ten feet away, certainly close enough for him to believe he might just reach it. Ergo a short rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I always assumed that the cord around his neck was tied in such a way that the harder he pulled the tighter it constricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaselPie Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 "When the fire was blazing, Brandon was brought in. His hands were chained behind his back, and around his neck was a wet leathern cord attached to a device the king had brought from Tyrosh. His legs were left free, though, and his longsword was set down just beyond his reach. "The pyromancers roasted Lord Rickard slowly, banking and fanning that fire carefully to get a nice even heat. His cloak caught first, and then his surcoat, and soon he wore nothing but metal and ashes. Next he would start to cook, Aerys promised . . . unless his son could free him. Brandon tried, but the more he struggled, the tighter the cord constricted around his throat. In the end he strangled himself." A tricksy device, not a wall, no evidence of a horizontal path to the rope. Plus tricksy wet leather cord that did not loosen when tightened. Sorry OP, sort of a non-argument really. But what would be your point, curiously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreign675 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 "When the fire was blazing, Brandon was brought in. His hands were chained behind his back, and around his neck was a wet leathern cord attached to a device the king had brought from Tyrosh. His legs were left free, though, and his longsword was set down just beyond his reach. "The pyromancers roasted Lord Rickard slowly, banking and fanning that fire carefully to get a nice even heat. His cloak caught first, and then his surcoat, and soon he wore nothing but metal and ashes. Next he would start to cook, Aerys promised . . . unless his son could free him. Brandon tried, but the more he struggled, the tighter the cord constricted around his throat. In the end he strangled himself." A tricksy device, not a wall, no evidence of a horizontal path to the rope. Plus tricksy wet leather cord that did not loosen when tightened. Sorry OP, sort of a non-argument really. But what would be your point, curiously? Uh? no point at all.. I was just trying to imagine him dying and couldn't figure out a proper film of it. Probably if it was shorter than an arm, like half arm, then it could work like that. Or maybe the wet leather has some special property preventing the cord from releasing its pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeaselPie Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Uh? no point at all.. I was just trying to imagine him dying and couldn't figure out a proper film of it. Probably if it was shorter than an arm, like half arm, then it could work like that. Or maybe the wet leather has some special property preventing the cord from releasing its pull. I see, no prob. Ever wear topsiders? Once they get wet, better pray you have a proper shoelace knot with loops. And oddly it's hard to get a tight shoelace knot without them being slightly wet. Leather stretches when wet, so a tight knot would only get tighter it you get pulling at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreign675 Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 you are aware the purpose of being hanged in the traditional sense is to break the neck, not to suffocate? Bran suffocated, a million times worse i would think...It depends on the tradition you're talking about.. historically 'breaking the neck' wasn't spread everywhere at every given time. Moreover, it's not an easy achievement to get, especially with the wrong starting conditions. Actually, it's not that bad. As I said, a person looses consciousness in around 5 seconds.It is not necessarily suffocation that kills you, it depends on how you are left to hang. You can also die simple because brain cells do not receive oxygen at all due to blood vessels being blocked- although you can still fully breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercyx Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I see, no prob. Ever wear topsiders? Once they get wet, better pray you have a proper shoelace knot with loops. And oddly it's hard to get a tight shoelace knot without them being slightly wet. Leather stretches when wet, so a tight knot would only get tighter it you get pulling at it.So you're saying I shouldn't buy a pair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 The mechanism of death in strangulation is actually hypoxia from compression of the carotid arteries rather than suffocation via the trachea. It's entirely possible for him to die in that manner. The cord was wet (and attached to a pulley?), so that even if he released the tension, the noose would not slacken as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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