exigez Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 We all know Stannis and his feelings about his duty. He Spoke at length about his dilemmas with supporting Robert over his rightful king with Davos.What would he do when Daenerys presents herself? She clearly has the better claim (if we ommit (f)Aegon), or at least a claim he cannot dismiss as illegal. From my understanding of the man, he will give up his claim and support her even to a point he would believe he has to be punished for usurping the throne. Any other thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 He won't. He has once rebelled and fought against Targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 For him it's House Baratheon who has only right to sit on Iron Throne because Robert won the war and destroyed Targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exigez Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Agree, but he is a brutally honest man. He cant possibly claim that she has no rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeThemBurn Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I agree. Stannis will give up his claim for the throne once Dany returns. Hence why he was brought up as a lie for her to slay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I agree. Stannis will give up his claim for the throne once Dany returns. Hence why he was brought up as a lie for her to slay.If he wants Targaryens on Throne, why did he rebell against them?Also, he probably knows something about her. He has sellswords from Free Cities and Sallador Saan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingAlanI Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 He doesn't want to be king, he feels obligated to, and he might see supporting Daenerys as an out. Also, if Daenerys really can't have any more kids, I believe Stannis and then Shireen would be her heirs (not counting f(Aegon), Jon being R+L and released from the NW, or other shenanigans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Belwas The Strong Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 House Baratheon is the Royal family and he has an obligation with his house, he will never support Daenerys nor she will allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the one eared cat Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Stannis is Robert's rightful heir. Seeing as Robert was the last king, Stannis is rightfully the next in line to the throne - the throne which is now in the Baratheon family. So Dany isn't really the rightful heir anymore, seeing as the people from which her claim comes have been defeated. Plus, look at the Dance of the Dragons: after the death of Aegon II, the throne passed to Aegon III who was actually the son of Aegon the Elder's enemy, Rhaenyra. Even though the throne could in theory have passed to another descendant of Viserys I, it went to Rhaenyra's son, because her forces (Starks, mainly) were marching against KL. Basically my point is, Aegon II was pretty much beaten by Rhaenyra's forces so her heir got the IT; similarly Robert defeated Aerys/Rhaegar so his heir - Stannis - is now the rightful heir. Winners get to pick and choose laws, essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard of Walton Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I understand the reasoning Op, but as the throne was won by Robert I think Stannis would see it only as his noble right.If Dany presented herself to Stannis, I think he'd have her burnt. If Stannis is king, Dany will have to kill him to remove him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exigez Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Stannis rebelled for the sake of his brother, not because he had any feelings for or against the Targs. And he was really struggling with deciding what was his real duty. Also, Robert was king not only by right of conquest, but also because his Targ blood by his grandmother, making him next in line (assuming that Aery's line is extinct, which Robert tryed very hard to do). In any case, Aery's line isn't extinct and has a better claim. I think Stannis was aware of her at first, being part of the Small Council and all, but then she was only the younger sister of a boy as crazy and unfit to ruel as their father. Now she is something totally different and he seems to just forget about her with everything going on with his campaign. Of course Dany will kill him. my point is that I think Stannis will probably think she is right by doing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 We all know Stannis and his feelings about his duty. He Spoke at length about his dilemmas with supporting Robert over his rightful king with Davos.What would he do when Daenerys presents herself? She clearly has the better claim (if we ommit (f)Aegon), or at least a claim he cannot dismiss as illegal. From my understanding of the man, he will give up his claim and support her even to a point he would believe he has to be punished for usurping the throne. Any other thoughts?He must know of Daenerys and Viserys too for that matter. He was a member of Robert's Small Council. It would make no matter. Her rights to the throne were usurped by Robert and Stannis is Robert's heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Tail of the Dragon Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 If Stannis was to do his duty to the realm, he would propose an alliance against the others first and calling a great council to settle the claims after the Others are defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 No way. He believes he's the saviour of the world, he would die before laying down his crown in front of someone, remember 'he'll break before he'll bend'. Baratheons are usurpers in my opinion and an usurper doesn't give up land that they "won" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Considering he's the one who personally drove Dany from Westeros he's not gonna give a shit about her claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Agree, but he is a brutally honest man. He cant possibly claim that she has no rights... Dany has no rights. She, and Aegon, have a claim. That's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Technically Stannis cold argue that thanks to the Dance of the Dragons precedent, he's the legitimate heir not just of the Baratheon dynasty, but of the Targaryen as well, as female claimants aren't allowed under their modified succession. But he won't. Stannis math is as follows: Robert was king->Robert died->Robert has no legitimate children->Robert's younger brother is his heir->Stannis is the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 No way in hell Stannis bends the knee to Dany or anyone else. Stannis will just view her as another pretender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalerionTheCat Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Targaryens lost their right to the IT by their defeat at the Trident, the fall of KL and their going into exile. For Stannis, Daenerys can gain back the Throne only by a new conquest. Which he will oppose, to defend Robert heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Technically Stannis cold argue that thanks to the Dance of the Dragons precedent, he's the legitimate heir not just of the Baratheon dynasty, but of the Targaryen as well, as female claimants aren't allowed under their modified succession. But he won't. Stannis math is as follows: Robert was king->Robert died->Robert has no legitimate children->Robert's younger brother is his heir->Stannis is the King.I may be wrong but there isn't an actual law stating that female's can't inherit, it was what people assumed to be the succession after jaehaerys picked prince baelon instead of rhaenys, and then when the great council picked viserys instead of laenor to be king. And I am positive that every targaryen that lived would revoke that law immediately if it meant daenerys couldn't sit the throne. Plus everyone who was part of the targaryen dynasty would once again side with daenerys over stannis. You can't be the heir to a dynasty that you helped destroy. Also the baratheons descent from the targaryens was from PRINCESS rhalle, meaning baratheons claim descent from a FEMALE line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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