tseka Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Is like an Alpha Male respecting another Alpha Male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 More like one psychopath respecting another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr's Little Finger Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tywin respects Stannis' ability as a commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 More like one psychopath respecting another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I don't see how Stannis is a psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr's Little Finger Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Stannis is a cold man with problems in interacting with other people. He isn't a psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Nor is Tywin a psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minstral Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Nor is Tywin a psychopath. There are those that disagree. On the other hand he does come across as a bit of a sociopath in some avenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Nor is Tywin a psychopath. Oh honey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dofs Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 There are those that disagree. On the other hand he does come across as a bit of a sociopath in some avenues. Well, I disagree with them. Not all terrible people are psychopaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aFeastForDragons Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I love how Tywin lets out a few times that he is scared of Stannis. He knows this is a man to be feared and one that could take the throne and remove his family from power even with the odds stacked heavily against him. On the other hand Stannis says Tywin was one of the greatest men he ever meet when he saw him as a child in King's Landing. There is a big difference between the two. For example Tywin orders the rape of a city while Stannis has his men gelded for raping WIldling women not even a part of his realm. Its clear as day who the good guy is here. Both have been shamed by other men and denied what they want, even publicly shamed. In the end Tywin got his revenge on Aerys but ultimately became a very brutal and unforgiving man. Stannis became very bitter with Robert's insults and distanced himself from family and friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tywin was scared of Aerys, Robert and Ned as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 A bit off topic I know, but its because of men like Tywin Lannister that we can even consider the notion that Stannis Baratheon is a good guy, to be honest. Every leader who faces hard times tends to commit an atrocity of one kind or another in order to maintain control or avoid commiting worse ones, I don't think there are many that can avoid this, even Robb Starks actions have hurt a lot of people, but whereas Tywin throws his about apparently willy nilly with no care for anyone but Tywin Lannister, Stannis wrestles with the dilemna and at least appears to consider the plight of the smallfolk and the moral implications of what that means. This is why Tywin, no matter how much he respects Stannis, will always have the edge. On the other hand, I could never see Tywin burning a member of his own family for any reason, that said, I could never see Stannis doing it just for power, if Mel thought that she'd get Stannis to do it just by saying he'd win the Iron Throne and not having to fill his head with stuff about the "incoming darkness" she would, but she knows she has to appeal to Stannis' inner hero to get him to go through with this, which is why, in my opinion, Stannis is a much more dangerous, if an incredibly more sympathetic person. And this is why its okay to read this story and hope Stannis doesn't descend into darkness and that Davos keeps him on the straight and narrow, while we can also get grim satisfaction for Tywin being shot through the bowels. On the other hand, Tywin is more effective than Stannis, so if you'd rather live in a Tywin world, I wouldn't blame you. But both are realists who know that hero's aren't men in shining armour and that "everyone who's ever had a statue built of them was a sumbitch at one time or another." Its near impossible to fight the monster without becoming it, Tywin sets the standards and everyone else must survive in his world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Oh yeah, but these guys totes regard each other as true heavyweights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Nor is Tywin a psychopath. noun a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc Seems fairly accurate description of Tywin to me. Especially the amorality, the lack of ability to love and ego. All three of his children would agree, especially Tyrion. To the OP, I'm not sure about Tywin respecting or liking Stannis. He does recognize that he's a formidable adversary and one to be taken seriously. But beyond that, Tywin wouldn't hesitate for a moment to put his head on a pike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tywin loved his wife, Jaime, Cersei when she was young and possibly his siblings. He also loved his father, but that might just be the TV Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 noun a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behavior, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc Seems fairly accurate description of Tywin to me. Especially the amorality, the lack of ability to love and ego. All three of his children would agree, especially Tyrion. To the OP, I'm not sure about Tywin respecting or liking Stannis. He does recognize that he's a formidable adversary and one to be taken seriously. But beyond that, Tywin wouldn't hesitate for a moment to put his head on a pike. The bolded is clearly incorrect because Joanna. No sign Tywin couldn't learn from experience either. So really what you're saying is that anyone who is ruthless and has an ego is thereby a psychopath which is absurd. Anyway, no, Tywin isn't a psychopath. That really would not fit the character at all. Stannis is not a psychopath either. Can we leave the psychopath discussion for Bolton threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loic Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I really hate it when we lose ourself in a competition over semantics instead of discussing something relevant.It looks pointless. More on topic:I don't recall nor Tywin nor Stannis having words of praise for any other commanders. But I guess that both are quite similar, if not for the stubborness. Not surprising Tywin seems to respect/fear the guy who didn't just hold Storm's End against Mace Tyrell, but also defeated the guy who destroyed Lannisport.Stannis, instead, seems more impressed by Tywin's overall persona rather than the commander (correct me if I'm wrong), and that's not surprising neither, since Tywin's strenght never lied on battlefield business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I really hate it when we lose ourself in a competition over semantics instead of discussing something relevant. It looks pointless. More on topic: I don't recall nor Tywin nor Stannis having words of praise for any other commanders. But I guess that both are quite similar, if not for the stubborness. Not surprising Tywin seems to respect/fear the guy who didn't just hold Storm's End against Mace Tyrell, but also defeated the guy who destroyed Lannisport. Stannis, instead, seems more impressed by Tywin's overall persona rather than the commander (correct me if I'm wrong), and that's not surprising neither, since Tywin's strenght never lied on battlefield business. Victrion didn't destroy Lannisport. He didn't even get into the city. He just burnt the Lannister fleet at anchor. But yea. Tywin makes a number of judgments about Stannis's abilities as a commander throughout the books. He's convinced he's methodical, not daring for instance. He's in a position to know because he's seen Stannis's work first hand during the Greyjoy rebellion which he was closely involved in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I really hate it when we lose ourself in a competition over semantics instead of discussing something relevant. It looks pointless. More on topic: I don't recall nor Tywin nor Stannis having words of praise for any other commanders. But I guess that both are quite similar, if not for the stubborness. Not surprising Tywin seems to respect/fear the guy who didn't just hold Storm's End against Mace Tyrell, but also defeated the guy who destroyed Lannisport. Stannis, instead, seems more impressed by Tywin's overall persona rather than the commander (correct me if I'm wrong), and that's not surprising neither, since Tywin's strenght never lied on battlefield business. Tywin praises Robb and arguably Balon and Stannis praises Tarly and Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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