ChillyPolly Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Following up on a point made in a locked thread. This is not a prophecy, it is a vision. two very separate things. The girl wears Grey to make Mel and Jon believe it is Arya, as house stark wears Grey. But it is not Arya it is Alys. we know it is Alys. there is no mystery here. And even if your screwed up idea of it being a prophecy was correct, (it is not this was a vision of an actual event not a prophecy of something to come dreamt in a strange symbolic manor. The Ghost of high Heart prophesises, Deanys the Dreamer prophesied. Visions are actual pictures of things that are happening, or will happen. ) he did have a sister, Rhaenys. (1) Mel tells Jon her vision of the "grey girl" concerns the future ("It has not happened yet, but it will"). So I call that a "prophesy". (2) Alys does not wear grey at all, as far as we know. Jon assumes she wears grey, because of the prophesy, but when he sees her, the garments she came in are completely hidden from him. Why would GRRM do that? (3) The girl in grey was seen riding beside a seemingly endless lakeshore. There is no large lake between Karhold and Castle Black. (4) The girl in grey rode a dying horse by the large lake; Alys arrived with a dying horse at Castle Black. Whether it is the Long Lake, or the Gods Eye, or some other lake, these are radically separated locations. Dying horses don't die forever. They ride on for a few miles, and then they drop. (5) Why would GRRM make such a minor character the solution to a prophesy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (5) Why would GRRM make such a minor character the solution to a prophesy?Because GRRM was spinning his wheels until the Ides of Marsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Because GRRM was spinning his wheels until the Ides of Marsh Possibly true, but it does not make the "Alys Karstark" solution to the prophesy very convincing or compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Possibly true, but it does not make the "Alys Karstark" solution to the prophesy very convincing or compelling.Agreed, but I made my peace with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Agreed, but I made my peace with it Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 from wow samples.... Jeyne Poole is a girl in grey, on a dying horse, fleeing a marriage, on her way to the Wall. Given Mel was looking for 'Arya', and Jeyne is fake 'Arya', it's interesting. The manner in which we learn Jeyne is wearing grey is also very subtle. Further reading here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 from wow samples.... Jeyne Poole is a girl in grey, on a dying horse, fleeing a marriage, on her way to the Wall. Given Mel was looking for 'Arya', and Jeyne is fake 'Arya', it's interesting. The manner in which we learn Jeyne is wearing grey is also very subtle. Further reading here I'm not sure this is a spoiler. Fake Arya was the first solution that popped into everyone's heads when the prophesy was first uttered, before Alys showed up, and distracted everyone further. But Jeyne Poole has yet to ride a dying horse along an endless lake while wearing grey. The idea that she is currently wearing grey has some basis. The conclusion that her horse is probably dying seems more an attempt to force the theory onto the facts. And there's still no endless lake (just a small lake). And of course, she will never be Jon's sister, in any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry the Hair Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Are there any lakes between Karhold and Castle Black? If not then I do believe you're on to something. though Mel seems to think that Alys is in fact the girl she saw when Jon tells her that her reading/vision is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Are there any lakes between Karhold and Castle Black? If not then I do believe you're on to something. though Mel seems to think that Alys is in fact the girl she saw when Jon tells her that her reading/vision is wrong.In the map of westeros on the app there seems to be a small river next to karkhold, if it the prophecy was in fact about alys that's the only thing I can see to resemble a river between karkhold and castle black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Following up on a point made in a locked thread. (1) Mel tells Jon her vision of the "grey girl" concerns the future ("It has not happened yet, but it will"). So I call that a "prophesy". (2) Alys does not wear grey at all, as far as we know. Jon assumes she wears grey, because of the prophesy, but when he sees her, the garments she came in are completely hidden from him. Why would GRRM do that? (3) The girl in grey was seen riding beside a seemingly endless lakeshore. There is no large lake between Karhold and Castle Black. (4) The girl in grey rode a dying horse by the large lake; Alys arrived with a dying horse at Castle Black. Whether it is the Long Lake, or the Gods Eye, or some other lake, these are radically separated locations. Dying horses don't die forever. They ride on for a few miles, and then they drop. (5) Why would GRRM make such a minor character the solution to a prophesy? Because it's meant to show Mel is fallible and make Jon distrustful of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Greyscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry the Hair Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Greyscale. That would make a nice parallel with the Pale Mare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Greyscale. I admit I never thought of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 In the map of westeros on the app there seems to be a small river next to karkhold, if it the prophecy was in fact about alys that's the only thing I can see to resemble a river between karkhold and castle black "I saw water, deep, blue and still, with a thin coat of ice just forming on it." It was west of the grey girl, who was traveling north. And it seemed to go on forever, suggesting a very large lake. Long Lake is immediately suggested as a solution. But it could be Gods Eye, or some other southern lake, in the more distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 That would make a nice parallel with the Pale Mare. Indeed. And the girl rider is obviously the only girl that has got it already. Too convenient for Mel to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Indeed. And the girl rider is obviously the only girl that has got it already. Too convenient for Mel to see it.Huh? Which girl has greyscale already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry the Hair Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Huh? Which girl has greyscale already? Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Shireen.Wow, I totally forgot Shireen existed! How HBO of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modesty Lannister Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Wow, I totally forgot Shireen existed! How HBO of me! Yes, but Shireen's greyscale has been dormant. And it will be riding a pale mare according to Mel's vision in the flames. Judging by events in Hardhome, greyscale has arrived already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Wow, I totally forgot Shireen existed! seem to be the story of the princess's life that most of the time she is mention, it is to some mockery about her apperance. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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