the storm king returns Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 For example if Rickon returns from Skagos with the onion knight everyone assumes lord Manderly will be his regent, but what if Rickon is wild and doesnt kno or trust lord Manderly? What if he names Osha the wildling régent instead or Davos? Would the northern lords have to obey? What if Rickon commands a lord to leave the great hall because he doesnt like his face ( he is still à child) lol. I know the regents rule all military aspects obviously but Rickon is the lord so does every other right givin to the great lords apply ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Depends on whether the boy lord "out-ranks" the other lord. If the answer is yes, then the boy lord can tell the other lord what to do. Of course, it's more nuanced than that (e.g. others may try to talk the boy lord out of whatever it is, etc.) but the bottom line is, yes. King Joffery executing Ned Stark comes to mind. No one could tell him no because, of course, he out-ranked everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Depends on whether the boy lord "out-ranks" the other lord. If the answer is yes, then the boy lord can tell the other lord what to do. Of course, it's more nuanced than that (e.g. others may try to talk the boy lord out of whatever it is, etc.) but the bottom line is, yes. King Joffery executing Ned Stark comes to mind. No one could tell him no because, of course, he out-ranked everyone.Cersei could have stopped it but ran the risk of embarassing the king in public and making him look weak.The adults will make a decision as to who will be regent. The regent will make the ruling decisions. If Rickon is being a Joffrey the lords would have to take it unless the regent intervened. So Rickon cant decide how many ships to build or how much to tax the Lords and Knights but he can tell you to get out his hall for no sane reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Remember Varys' riddle? The power resides where people believe it resides. Although if they allowed a four-year-old seriously call the shots, they'd have to be insane or criminally stupid, most likely both. Depends on whether the boy lord "out-ranks" the other lord. If the answer is yes, then the boy lord can tell the other lord what to do. Of course, it's more nuanced than that (e.g. others may try to talk the boy lord out of whatever it is, etc.) but the bottom line is, yes. King Joffery executing Ned Stark comes to mind. No one could tell him no because, of course, he out-ranked everyone. No. Cersei was the regent and she chose not to contradict her precious little golden king, that's the reason why Ned's head fell off. But an argument between Joffrey and Tywin Lannister ended with Tywin deciding that "the king is tired, escort His Grace to his bedchamber", and that was that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monctonvike Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 To a certain degree yes, yes he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Balerion Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I wonder. Maester Luwin and Ser Rodrik don't seem to have any difficulty telling Bran what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Santa of House Claus Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He can, to a point. Robb was technically still a boy when he called the banner, same goes for Joffery. But the best example is Bran, now if he was a lord and not just The Stark in Winterfell he might have wielded more power, but he still ruled to a certain point, but an underage lord is mainly going to "rule" through his Maester, Castilian, and/or Regent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yes if they are ranked above other lords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The orders of a small child will be ignored. But if he is close to his majority, it gets more tricky. Legally they have no power, but in practice they can have it. Depends on how powerful and well established the regent is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daena the Defiant Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oddly enough, Tyrion put this quite cogently when he arrived to take control as Hand: If the King (Joffrey) commands you to bring him his horse, obey. If the king orders you to kill his horse, come to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Vaes Tolorro Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oddly enough, Tyrion put this quite cogently when he arrived to take control as Hand: If the King (Joffrey) commands you to bring him his horse, obey. If the king orders you to kill his horse, come to me. That was Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oddly enough, Tyrion put this quite cogently when he arrived to take control as Hand: If the King (Joffrey) commands you to bring him his horse, obey. If the king orders you to kill his horse, come to me. It was Jaime about Tommen, not Tyrion and Joffrey, but yeah. Underage lords (and kings) are reined in by their handlers. Another example: when Robert Arryn said out loud that he wanted to see the ugly little man fly, Lysa (not a paragon of statesmanship by any measure) explained that that was not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I wonder. Maester Luwin and Ser Rodrik don't seem to have any difficulty telling Bran what to do. Bran respected them, the OP is under the assumption Rickon will be a dick. They were not legally his regents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Bran respected them, the OP is under the assumption Rickon will be a dick. They were not legally his regents. They weren't his regents because he wasn't a king or lord. But Rodrik was officially in charge of the North because Cat appointed him castellan of WF and Robb confirmed it. Bran legally had no power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Remember Varys' riddle? The power resides where people believe it resides. Although if they allowed a four-year-old seriously call the shots, they'd have to be insane or criminally stupid, most likely both. No. Cersei was the regent and she chose not to contradict her precious little golden king, that's the reason why Ned's head fell off. But an argument between Joffrey and Tywin Lannister ended with Tywin deciding that "the king is tired, escort His Grace to his bedchamber", and that was that. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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