King Jon Targaryen I Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I always find it interesting when people say Dany is going to be this tyrant or succumb to this Targaryen madness ( even though Rhaegar was nothing like his father Aerys but Viserys was definitely a look into what Aerys probably acted like in his youth) but for some reason Stannis is not? I mean seriously we don't see Stannis has this potential tyrant but for some reason Dany is because of some decisions she has made? I find it a bit hypocritical is all I'm saying and I notice this pattern when it comes to female characters and male characters in terms of rulership. Dany doesn't really need to die in all honesty she may be a person Jon looks to ironically for help or if you guys are into the whole Jon/Dany thing? I have issues wih Stannis has a whole but I noticed people give him a pass when it comes to certain things and Dany oh my god she is the next Joseph Stalin because of such and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalCount Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Confirmation bias. Stannis has many detractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Confirmation bias. Stannis has many detractors. Don't see a lot of threads on him has often, also its a discussion I want to have on this cause this doesn't seem to be the case with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Malenkirk Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Don't see a lot of threads on him has often, also its a discussion I want to have on this cause this doesn't seem to be the case with him. Stannis has less following, both positive or negative. It's natural; he's not quite as important a character. And if you want to discuss Stannis and what kind of king he would be, you probably shouldn't start your thread's title by 'Daenerys'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTyrion Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis has less following, both positive or negative. It's natural; he's not quite as important a character. And if you want to discuss Stannis and what kind of king he would be, you probably shouldn't start your thread's title by 'Daenerys'. Pretty much this. Danny is one of the most important characters and will therefore get more attention. She does seem to get a lot more criticism than praise though. However, at this point I think a lot of what drives that is her prolonged story line in the east and a dislike for the Merrenese knot plot-lines in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Pretty much this. Danny is one of the most important characters and will therefore get more attention. She does seem to get a lot more criticism than praise tough. However, at this point I think a lot of what drives that is her prolonged story line in the east and a dislike for the Merrenese knot plot-lines in general. That could be it which is sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is significantly worse than Dany. Stannis let his older brother die so he could claim the throne is his by rights.Stannis burns people to death in order to fuel his blood magic.Stannis feigns compassion for the NW and the North just to get them to support him in his further conquest of Westeros.Seriously Stannis needs to die soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Pretty much this. Danny is one of the most important characters and will therefore get more attention. She does seem to get a lot more criticism than praise tough. However, at this point I think a lot of what drives that is her prolonged story line in the east and a dislike for the Merrenese knot plot-lines in general. I think this could be because the East is totally different , I mean Westeros is feudalism the east represents what's left after the end of the Ancient period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Excuse me, Your Grace. You've been here for half a year, have about two hundred posts under your belt, and are under the impression that Stannis isn't controversial? Now I've seen everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jon Targaryen I Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Excuse me, Your Grace. You've been here for half a year, have about two hundred posts under your belt, and are under the impression that Stannis isn't controversial? Now I've seen everything. I haven't seen all the threads I'm not on this board so very often. That was uncalled for and frankly really rude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I haven't seen all the threads I'm not on this board so very often. That was uncalled for and frankly really rude Report me, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Noctua Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is significantly worse than Dany.Stannis let his older brother die so he could claim the throne is his by rights.Stannis burns people to death in order to fuel his blood magic.Stannis feigns compassion for the NW and the North just to get them to support him in his further conquest of Westeros.Seriously Stannis needs to die soon. How did Stannis let Robert die? Did he warg into the boar that killed him?Was pretty close, but hasn't burned anyone to fuel his magic.Stannis feigns to like someone or something? I was under the impression that people disliked him because of his brutal honesty, not the opposite. And of course one of the reasons he saved the Watch was to better his postition in the War of the Five Kings. If it weren't for that, he wouldn't even bother to take part in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Pounce's Mum Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why are testosterone Levels on this board always running so high? Seriously guys, get it together. Excuse me, Your Grace. You've been here for half a year, have about two hundred posts under your belt, and are under the impression that Stannis isn't controversial? Now I've seen everything. Content-wise: this.The Stannis-fans are the vocal majority around here, hence the general impression that he's more popular than Dany, but there are loads of discussions about him nevertheless. Most of them include the exact same three arguments, though, and therefore don't take very long... which leads us back to the point of Dany being a protagonist and having more and more complex plot points open for discussion.Still not exactly polite phrasing, though... Stannis feigns to like someone or something? I was under the impression that people disliked him because of his brutal honesty, not the opposite. And of course one of the reasons he saved the Watch was to better his postition in the War of the Five Kings. If it weren't for that, he wouldn't even bother to take part in the war. Remember that talk with Jon about how to get the mountain clans to back him - and then the fact that he showeed up with, well, the mountain clans backing him? I think that would be the point (s)he was referring to. Whether or not he was feigning much at those camp fires we don't know, but taking Jon's words into consideration he probably wasn't his usual, charismatic self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 People hate Dany because she is a woman. People love Stannis because he is a man. Now that that is said. We can all walk out of here alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Storm Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Excuse me, Your Grace. You've been here for half a year, have about two hundred posts under your belt, and are under the impression that Stannis isn't controversial? Now I've seen everything.No ones forcing you to read the thread. If you didnt like the question than don't read it...Regarding the question, I think Stannis has already proven to be a good ruler. He's definitely a good commander and the best quality I think he has is that he listens to good council from anybody (Davos, Jon).Dany doesn't always listen to people (plus she kicked out her best advisor) even though she has no experience in ruling at all and thus she's gotten herself in the situation that she is in. Can't really defend Stannis' burnings but Mel did give Stannis his army and Storms End so he does owe her some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 They are not both controversial ? That's news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kienn Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 How did Stannis let Robert die? Did he warg into the boar that killed him?Was pretty close, but hasn't burned anyone to fuel his magic.Stannis feigns to like someone or something? I was under the impression that people disliked him because of his brutal honesty, not the opposite. And of course one of the reasons he saved the Watch was to better his postition in the War of the Five Kings. If it weren't for that, he wouldn't even bother to take part in the war.Stannis knew the Lannisters were planning stuff and abandoned Robert to his death.Forgot Alester Florent?He goes North to save the NW only after convinced by Davos that it will win him the North. All his plans after that are transparently designed to gain loyalty of Northerners.Also... WHOOOOOSH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose is Azor Ahai Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis burns only people accused for crimes. He punishes them but instead of executing them he lets them to be burned to appeal the Queen's men and those who pray the Ruhloo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis burns only people accused for crimes. He punishes them but instead of executing them he lets them to be burned to appeal the Queen's men and those who pray the Ruhloo. Yeah because lord Sunglass and Edric were both such horrible criminals right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Noctua Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Remember that talk with Jon about how to get the mountain clans to back him - and then the fact that he showeed up with, well, the mountain clans backing him? I think that would be the point (s)he was referring to. Whether or not he was feigning much at those camp fires we don't know, but taking Jon's words into consideration he probably wasn't his usual, charismatic self. Yeah he would've feigned if he praised the beauty of the clans' daughters, but I doubt that he would've feigned if he had praised the skill of the warriors or the quality of the food XD . Stannis knew the Lannisters were planning stuff and abandoned Robert to his death.Forgot Alester Florent?He goes North to save the NW only after convinced by Davos that it will win him the North. All his plans after that are transparently designed to gain loyalty of Northerners.Also... WHOOOOOSH No, Stannis KNEW nothing of the sort. He abandoned the capital to save his own life, because if he tried to save Robert's by telling him of his suspicions of the twincest either the Lannisters or Robert himself would've killed him. And the Lannisters weren't planning anything besides maintaining the power they already had. Which pretty much every person in a position of power does. Alester Florent was burned for treason, not to 'fuel' magic. The chapter where Stannis is convinced ends with Davos starting to read the letter, which implies that he decided to go North once Davos finished reading it. Thus the main motivation to go North is to save the kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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