The_Noctua Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Yeah because lord Sunglass and Edric were both such horrible criminals right? One was burned on orders of Selyse, while Stannis was away, the other is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why so many people had problem with Danny is that GGRM gives her too much favor, her victories were so easily won regardless how ridiculous of her act P.S that "A princess who is younger and prettier" BS is so junior high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 One was burned on orders of Selyse, while Stannis was away, the other is alive and well. Edric might not have been burnt, but that was only because Davos was the only person on Dragonstone which wasn't a religous zealot willing to sacrifice a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 If a character manages to be controversial then he is quite interesting.There is no non-controversial king I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow of the Morning Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is much more problematic than Dany. He is a good ruler, b ut if he takes the Iron Throne a great turmoil will happens. He is too inflexible and don;t know how to play the political game and probably he will seek revenge against the Tyrells and other houses and can make more enemies. But, the main problem is Mellisandre and her Red God. The faith will never accept him and now with the Faith Militant he will suffer a lot. When he propose to Jon Snow to legitimize him he order to Jon take down the weirwood as part of the agreement and I no doubt he will force other noble houses to do the same, burn weirwoods, destroy septs and persecute the infidels. It is by far much worse than Dany could do. And no, she have no sign of the Targaryen madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is much more problematic than Dany. He is a good ruler, b ut if he takes the Iron Throne a great turmoil will happens. He is too inflexible and don;t know how to play the political game and probably he will seek revenge against the Tyrells and other houses and can make more enemies. But, the main problem is Mellisandre and her Red God. The faith will never accept him and now with the Faith Militant he will suffer a lot. When he propose to Jon Snow to legitimize him he order to Jon take down the weirwood as part of the agreement and I no doubt he will force other noble houses to do the same, burn weirwoods, destroy septs and persecute the infidels. It is by far much worse than Dany could do. And no, she have no sign of the Targaryen madness. Dear Gods! Are you suggesting Danny is somehow more flexible than Stannis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 No, Stannis KNEW nothing of the sort. He abandoned the capital to save his own life, because if he tried to save Robert's by telling him of his suspicions of the twincest either the Lannisters or Robert himself would've killed him. And the Lannisters weren't planning anything besides maintaining the power they already had. Which pretty much every person in a position of power does. They can't maintain their power while Robert is alive as long as someone (read, Stannis) knows. They are not going to keep Robert around if news of the incest could erupt any day now, in fact, at the beginning of AGoT, Cersei is already looking for ways to kill Robert, the melee was one such plan if I recall correctly. By fleeing to Dragonstone, where he was safe from any Lannister assassin, Stannis doomed Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is significantly worse than Dany.Stannis let his older brother die so he could claim the throne is his by rights.Stannis burns people to death in order to fuel his blood magic.Stannis feigns compassion for the NW and the North just to get them to support him in his further conquest of Westeros.Seriously Stannis needs to die soon.I made this thread to deal with this ridiculous assertion: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/125830-on-stannis-fleeing-to-dragonstone-and-not-telling-robert/ As for your third point I will quote Jasta11 There's a difference between maintaining a healthy skepticism and blindly dismissing anything a player says. Is that Stannis's sole motivation, very probably not, but it doesn't mean it was a bald faced lie and/or that he's completely fooling himself. A core point of Stannis's character is that he's torn between his desires and (what he sees as) his duty, sometimes reconciling them in his head when it's convenient for him sure, but that doesn't mean it's not a driving point for his character nevertheless. Dismissing that as only self-serving BS does a disservice to his character, I think. Similarily, why wouldn't Renly believe his rule would be better for the 7K? He sure as hell can't do worse than Joffrey. As above, it's almost certainly not his sole motivation, but it doesn't mean it's not some sort of motivation still. People can have several motivations for what they do, I understand this is what makes them complex characters even. I loathe to bring Dany in this for obvious reasons, but she still provides a good example; her taking the Unsullied is self-serving, whatever she says. It allows her to obtain a very disciplined and loyal army at practically no cost to herself, a massive boon in her quest for the IT. But we are in her head, so we know a big reason she does it is to liberate the slaves an end a system she abhors. Both motivations can easily exist together even if they seem contradictory, because people are like that. Why should we assume otherwise for Stannis or Renly? Because we're not in their heads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Dear Gods! Are you suggesting Danny is somehow more flexible than Stannis? Very much so. Just ask Daario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 They can't maintain their power while Robert is alive as long as someone (read, Stannis) knows. They are not going to keep Robert around if news of the incest could erupt any day now, in fact, at the beginning of AGoT, Cersei is already looking for ways to kill Robert, the melee was one such plan if I recall correctly. By fleeing to Dragonstone, where he was safe from any Lannister assassin, Stannis doomed Robert. Read the thread I linked to below your post, I lay out why this claim is false. It should be particularly obvious that this isn't true from our perspective as readers, because we know that there was not a Lannister assassin at all; the Lannisters didn't poison Jon Arryn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Very much so. Just ask Daario. If you spoke to Melisandre you would know that is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Excuse me, Your Grace. You've been here for half a year, have about two hundred posts under your belt, and are under the impression that Stannis isn't controversial? Now I've seen everything. Frankly, old timer, number of posts means nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronn Urgandy Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Edric might not have been burnt, but that was only because Davos was the only person on Dragonstone which wasn't a religous zealot willing to sacrifice a child. Don't discredit Rolland Storm, Maester Pylos and those other top notch lads who's names I can't remember right now. Oh and Stannis is incredibly controversial right now, if there is one reason he gets more credit than Dany (he doesn't) right now, its because comparatively he is on more of an upswing, while she is on a downswing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Stannis is pretty controversial, or has been in past years. It's just there are a lot of Stanstans Kingsmen on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Noctua Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Edric might not have been burnt, but that was only because Davos was the only person on Dragonstone which wasn't a religous zealot willing to sacrifice a child. What about Davos' co-conspirators? They can't maintain their power while Robert is alive as long as someone (read, Stannis) knows. They are not going to keep Robert around if news of the incest could erupt any day now, in fact, at the beginning of AGoT, Cersei is already looking for ways to kill Robert, the melee was one such plan if I recall correctly. By fleeing to Dragonstone, where he was safe from any Lannister assassin, Stannis doomed Robert. And what if Stannis told Robert of the incest without proof, after Jon died? At best Robert gets angry at him and dismisses him from the council, and everything end with that, at worst he is killed by the Lannisters. There's no way Robert would believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Very much so. Just ask Daario.:lol:She really is more flexible though. Stannis would have never made some of the compromises she did in Meereen, marrying someone they despised, reopening the fighting pits, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 In which books is Stannis not as controversial as Dany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make Shadowbabies Not War Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 They are both very controversial, but I think that Dany's is more often commented on because whilst we had the whole of AGOT spent with characters building up Stannis to be a cold, brutal, ruthhless battle commander, she began as an innocent young girl. Therefore, Stannis has not changed much from our opening perceptions of him (and has arguably gotten better), Dany has actually become more controversial. So in my opinion, Dany seems more controversial because both characters are compared to each other based on where they started, and then judged on their journeys throughout the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 People hate Dany because she is a woman. People love Stannis because he is a man. Now that that is said. We can all walk out of here alive. Post #14 and we are there... You almost broke a record... One has to love how everything boils down to this argument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Are you sure Stannis is not controversial? Or do you want a comment like the one below? People hate Dany because she is a woman. People love Stannis because he is a man. Now that that is said. We can all walk out of here alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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