DisplayName Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 If Brynden Rivers, Lord commander of Night Watch disappeared one day. So technically he deserted Night Watch right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanTheBold Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 it depends if he left and merged withhis tree to actively fight the others then I'd say he's still doing his nights watch duties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 He's not considered a deserter by history because he went missing on a ranging and was eventually presumed dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSovereignGrave Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 He's not considered a deserter by history because he went missing on a ranging and was eventually presumed dead. Though if it's discovered he's still alive (somehow), I wonder whether people would consider him a deserter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimples Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Though if it's discovered he's still alive (somehow), I wonder whether people would consider him a deserter. I wonder whether there will be people who care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplayName Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 I wonder whether there will be people who care. Eddard Stark children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimples Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Eddard Stark children? Why would they care about whether Bloodraven 'technically' deserted or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanna Stormborn Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Technically, he deserves the block just like the rest of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimples Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Technically, he deserves the block just like the rest of them. Then they'd better get their felling axes. Edit: Get it? He's a tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Who, exactly, is counting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragons Hand Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Who, exactly, is counting? Senior Pomegranate and the boys. Then again I expect rezzed Jon to utterly massacre them *If the mammoths and Free-folk leave them alive* like a truly vengeful King of Winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Bran is going to take him out as a deserter until he has learned everything there is to learn. The North remembers, after all. If Arya can kill Dareon then Bran can kill Brynden ;-). Whether he is a deserter depends in the question whether he actively chose to abandon the NW or whether the Children of the Forest caught him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose is Azor Ahai Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 And who knows if he is working against the Others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemond's Eye Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Bran is going to take him out as a deserter until he has learned everything there is to learn. The North remembers, after all. If Arya can kill Dareon then Bran can kill Brynden ;-). Whether he is a deserter depends in the question whether he actively chose to abandon the NW or whether the Children of the Forest caught him. Well, it also depends on what end Brynden is working towards. The Night's Watch had forgotten how to defeat The Others. If Brynden was called upon by the CoTF and is trying to save mankind from The Others, then I don't know if Bran would consider that Brynden had forsaken his vows to The Watch. If he's trying to assist Bran - and Jon, if he's warging Mormont's bird - then it could be said that he's still trying to aid The Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Of course he is not a deserter. This was just me ridiculing the opinion that Arya was in the right to murder Dareon. For all we know Brynden has sworn his oath in front of heart tree - which means he has sworn it to a greenseer, which means that this oath can actually be modified or revoked rather easily if the greenseer in question wants to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes he is a deserter. The man cares nothing for human constructs such as honour. Like Tywin he is results orientated. The world needs saving, in his estimation he could do more to save it by becoming a tree and hanging out with the COTF than by leading the NW as LC, so that's what he did. Oaths and honour don't factor into things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Do the ends ever justify the means? I think this is one of the many themes Martin is exploring in ASoIaF and I'm quite certain that he would say the answer to this question is - YES! After all, we see it time and time again throughout the story ;) So, to put it another way, from one perspective, yes, technically, Bloodraven deserted the NW. From another perspective, he could be viewed as never deserting the NW because he's just about the only one who is still true to its original purpose while the organization as a whole lost its way long ago. So, which perspective is right? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blow My Horn Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Of course he is not a deserter. This was just me ridiculing the opinion that Arya was in the right to murder Dareon. For all we know Brynden has sworn his oath in front of heart tree - which means he has sworn it to a greenseer, which means that this oath can actually be modified or revoked rather easily if the greenseer in question wants to do that. Brynden Rivers and Dareon (hmm, Daeron?) are polar opposites as case studies. Arya did what family/regional tradition told her to do. Being a Stark she had the authority. Whether we think it's right depends on personal views. I don't have a problem with it, maybe you don't agree with any form of capital punishment. That's fine. But I have a feeling Bloodraven would plead extenuating circumstances and argue he can do more as a tree than dying decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemond's Eye Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Of course he is not a deserter. This was just me ridiculing the opinion that Arya was in the right to murder Dareon. For all we know Brynden has sworn his oath in front of heart tree - which means he has sworn it to a greenseer, which means that this oath can actually be modified or revoked rather easily if the greenseer in question wants to do that.Well, difference between Brynden and Daeron is that we know that Daeron was a deserter - only reason Arya was in the wrong to kill him was because it wasn't her place to do so, and it was murder as opposed to her carrying out a sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aemond's Eye Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Damn double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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