Serious Callers Only Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yeah, i guess derivative unauthorized works can get the original writers and some fan rilled, but i personally enjoy if some slight work gets a myriad of fantastically elaborate headcanons for you to see how the fanfic writer got from A to B or just plain silly stuff to laugh at. And if it's good, why not. It's true that all of these depend on immersion into the original work, if you haven't experienced it, you might as well not bother, which is another thing that makes the 'hate' perplexing. And sure, conflicting characterization can be annoying but i've noticed they seem mostly to self police at that - to the point that 'new' or 'deeper' characterization than the fandom perspective is often meet with annoyance, even if the fanfic is good otherwise. Shippers are the worst though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 You gave three reasons to hate it, and not a single one on why to like it. You're not very good at this logical argument thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 You gave three reasons to hate it, and not a single one on why to like it. You're not very good at this logical argument thing. He actually didn't. He gave you common criticisms, hating goes beyond recognizing those. That's something you bring to the table. As for the hate: I don't really see much point in it or getting tangled in people's issues with it. I don't take the "hate" against fantasy -or "grimdark" fantasy- seriously. I also don't take hate against fanfiction seriously. You're free to not like it, you're free to think the majority is shit but people like parts of it and there was enough work that is either quality or amusing enough to make up for its shortcomings for me (when I actually got deep into) so...I'm not really sure how you'd go about convincing people who already hate something they're not interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 If by "hate" you mean the stereotyping of fanfic as stories with dismal qualities produced en masse by obsessed preteen fangirls and fanboys, then I will say that it is a bloody deserved stereotyping. But of course, you can always find good stuff (sturgeon's law, you know.) Of course good fanfic is not so bad, it would be an oxymoron, it is just rare. Having said that, I personally value an author with talent more if he writes his own story, but it does not stop me from enjoying some shared universe/spin of/tie in/fanfic stuff -though I can't recall a good fanfic based on a novel. Latest I tried was the Dworkin books, they were awful- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 He actually didn't. He gave you common criticisms, hating goes beyond recognizing those. That's something you bring to the table. As for the hate: I don't really see much point in it or getting tangled in people's issues with it. I don't take the "hate" against fantasy -or "grimdark" fantasy- seriously. I also don't take hate against fanfiction seriously. You're free to not like it, you're free to think the majority is shit but people like parts of it and there was enough work that is either quality or amusing enough to make up for its shortcomings for me (when I actually got deep into) so...I'm not really sure how you'd go about convincing people who already hate something they're not interested in.Actually, hate is recognizing this criticisms and acting on them. It'd be great to live in a world of avoidance and 'not taking things seriously', but for those of us with a better grasp of reality can't live in that gentle land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah, reality is a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Does Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead count as fanfiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castel Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Actually, hate is recognizing this criticisms and acting on them.It'd be great to live in a world of avoidance and 'not taking things seriously', but for those of us with a better grasp of reality can't live in that gentle land.I'm not avoiding people who hate fanfiction. I just don't see what exactly needs to be done with or for them. I consider a general avoidance of certain things (often based on experience) a simple decision on how to spend your time, I don't consider it hate. Hate requires more imo. I think you bring in things that make you hate something if a post could swing you so quickly. So when someone hates fanfiction the question is: okay,now? Like, I get why people wouldn't want to read it but must we now run a political campaign to change their minds? Why? At least genres like horror have the reason that less stigma==more money ==more horror. Fanfiction is free. It's just a bit of a quick discussion. The person who doesn't like it simply says that the ratio of good to bad is too much for them or they're not interested in retreading works. I agree. We move on. Or they make some silly dogmatic statement like "works that are derivative cannot be entertaining" and I laugh at them, we move on. It's quickly resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeping Sore Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Does Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead count as fanfiction? Is that the one where they sit around going "Hamlet is sooo emo. We should totes take him to Hot Topic, so he doesn't feel bounded in a nutshell" ETA: needed the "totes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Is that the one where they sit around going "Hamlet is sooo emo. We should totes take him to Hot Topic, so he doesn't feel bounded in a nutshell" ETA: needed the "totes" Yeah but Hot Topic is soooooo 90s. We probably need a reboot for the youngters to make their own. Hamsterlet, the Tortured Otherkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Larrytheimp,Does Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead count as fanfiction?Is P.D. James Death Comes to Pemberly fan fiction? I say it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 There's nothing inherently wrong with fan-fiction. You get plenty of godawful stories with original characters too. (I have a very broad interpretation of what constitutes fan-fic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Fan fic brought us 50 shades of grey, which is possibly the worst thing ever written. Seriously read an excert of that shit and try and find something worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterbound Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Fan fic brought us 50 shades of grey, which is possibly the worst thing ever written. Seriously read an excert of that shit and try and find something worse.Let's not forget the pile of shit that was 'mortal instruments'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I've read many good fanfics, but I understand authors who don't aprove them. Imagine that for many damned years you work on book, YOU have to create setting, worlds, characters and plot. Than somebody comes and writes sth set in YOUR WORLD, with little effort but into it. How do you feel about it? If I ever finish ( and publish) my novel I won't aprove ANY fanfiction. ( On the other hand: fanfics based on my book won't be very likely, as probably no one will ever read it :( ) IMO the worst kind of fanfic is that which changes character's character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 somebody comes and writes sth set in YOUR WORLD, with little effort but into it. How do you feel about it? Flattered that they appreciate your world enough to want to play with it? It's not like they're damaging your "actual" world by inventing variants, and they're not costing you anything. Plenty of highly-regarded authors put no work into developing a setting at all, they just copy from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Flattered that they appreciate your world enough to want to play with it? It's not like they're damaging your "actual" world by inventing variants, and they're not costing you anything. Plenty of highly-regarded authors put no work into developing a setting at all, they just copy from reality.It's just theoretical :) To have fanfiction I'll need some fans - to have fans I'll need to have people who liked my book - to have such people I'll need to publish the book - to publish it I'll need to finish it and find a publisher ( who willl agree ) and to be over 18 ( who wrote this stupid law? - publishing a book gives you profit so you have to pay taxes from it - to pay taxes you have to be an adult ) So such problems are very distant ;).Ok, if ( theoreticaly ) I'll have fans, I'll allow them to write fanfics, but only with:- the same history, not alternative world- my main characters aren't his/her main characters ( they can write about battle we already saw through POV of my main characters, but from POV of some random soldier or not-important-for-the- main- plotperson) - no clichès ( I hate them, just hate ) [ is it even possible - internet "critics" consider nearly everything "clichè" - they are like: "main character fails and dies - cliche!" "Main character wins and lives happily-ever-after Clichè!" "Tolkien - clichè of Mythology" "Martin - clichè" - I even saw such person once on the internet ]- the same geography, history etc.- his/her fanfic doesn't change my characters behavior and personality- his/her characters exsistence would be possible in my world ( no Jedi Knights or Time Traveling Aliens in semi-medieval world - I've read very weird fanfics about Tolkien's Middleearth )↑ this would be only kind of theoreticall fanfics to my theoreticall novel, I could accept ( not dissaprove, of course they would be unCanonical ) ;)However, I don't belive I'll ever have it publishe so no disscussion is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Richard II Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Let's not forget the pile of shit that was 'mortal instruments'.Oh ho, don't get me started on that one. I'm on a phone and my fingers couldn't take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Who wants to see Darth Richard turn his phone into shrapnel with hyper thumbs? *raises hand* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Fanfiction.net has created some of the funniest things ive ever read tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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