Hardstone Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Yet together, Aegon and Viserys ably dealt with the remaining turmoil in the realm. One such incident was the troublesome appearance of several pretenders claiming to be Prince Daeron the Daring - the youngest brother of Aegon II who was killed at the Second Battle of Tumbleton but whose body was never identified - leaving the door open for unscrupulous men to make their false claims. (But those feigned princes have since been conclusively shown to be imposters.) So after the Regent Wars this curious incident occurred.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I wonder how they were 'conclusively' proven imposters.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I wonder how they were 'conclusively' proven imposters.. They were sane and well-adjusted people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojzelote Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 They were presented to their Hightower relations? Daeron had been squiring at Hightower IIRC. (There's plural, so even if one of them was the real Daeron, the rest certainly couldn't be...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 That should be quite easy. Daeron was fifteen when he was killed, not a child/infant. Whoever tried to impose him later on would have been in his twenties or thirties depending when those impostors showed up. Such people would have had a past and could thus be imposed as frauds by the people knowing them. But since we know virtually nothing about that it is really hard to guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 They admitted to being fakes? (Whether under torture or not, well, you decide)ETA: or what Lord Varys said, or what lojzelote said. Prince Daeron was not an infant when he died (or didn't) so he is much easier to recognise. As a related matter, did he have Targaryen features, or did he take after his mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardstone Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 One theory I had was a rival Lyseni family trying their luck to destabilise the Rogares hold on the IT.Unwin Peake is another candidate who would try an imposter to regain power in the capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I doubt that the people involved in the struggles during the Regency were involved in any of that. Yandel claims that Aegon and Viserys dealt with those threats together, and Viserys did not became Hand immediately after Aegon III came of age. I'd also be very surprised if the power players during the Regency had any chance of a comeback. Aegon seems to have fired everybody - the new regents (chosen by lot at the Great Council), the Hand Lord Manderly, and even Grand Maester Munkun seems to have suspended as Grand Maester as he did not serve in that office in 153 AC but later again when Baelor died in 171 AC. This is actually not surprising as Munkun was the only regent and Hand besides when Aegon and Viserys were besieged by their own government in their own castle. Pretty much no one should shrug off this kind of 'misunderstanding'. And I also very much doubt that Unwin Peake survived his fall from grace for long. He must have had way too many enemies to even survive the Regency, and considering that he was suspected to have arranged the death of the queen I'd be surprised if he got away with that. I rather expect that the False Daeron reflect the more common trope of the 'true heir' story. The king isn't well liked, there is unrest etc. and some guy claims he is a lost prince and a crowd starts believing him and he rallies some supporters behind him. I doubt that those pretenders had were backed by powerful lords - at least not at first, if they had some military successes, some nobles may have supported them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkingWITHcersei Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Excellent question! To argue the real Daeron survived yet was dismissed as a phony first thing you need is a motive, why would someone do that? Well it's very possible that following the deaths of so many Targaryens that the Maesters would have a hand in judging the veracity of any claimants. They may have had complete authority remembering how going and sullen Aegon III was. Anything involving the Maesters at that point in history is open to scrutiny bc we know for a fact the Maesters had plotted and manipulated situations in an effort to bring down the Targs. The reemergence of a Targ who'd likely be an excellent king absolutely would be something the Maesters would work to accomplish whatever means necessary. Not to mention the regents who would lose all their power if Daeron was alive. So yea I wanna hear more of these imposters and how they were confirmed fakes. I hesitate to give the Maesters the benefit of the doubt in this era of history. They've simply proven they can't be trusted or believed when it comes to Targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 They were presented to their Hightower relations? Daeron had been squiring at Hightower IIRC. (There's plural, so even if one of them was the real Daeron, the rest certainly couldn't be...)Ah, that's a good way, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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