Tyrion The Huge Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Who do you guys think is the Valonqar? I have no clue to be honest, but Cersei getting killed by Jaime's hands would be a big WTF moment. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The what? Never heard of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragondude121 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The what? Never heard of it? The valonqar is the prophesized character who will kill Cersei. She has always assumed it was Tyrion, as valonqar means little brother, but Jaime is by far the better candidate in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion The Huge Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Here you go;- http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valonqar/Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The valonqar is the prophesized character who will kill Cersei. She has always assumed it was Tyrion, as valonqar means little brother, but Jaime is by far the better candidate in my opinion. I was being sarcastic, there is a new one of these every few days. lol And the answer is Stannis by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion The Huge Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 I was being sarcastic, there is a new one of these every few days. lol And the answer is Stannis by the way You think so or you know so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdw4950 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 this is one of those topics where i feel like people over think it with time. even though its the more anti-climactic answer, i have a feeling its going to be jaime. personally, my favorite pick would be the hound as the valonqar with sansa as the younger, more beautiful 'queen' (not in a them getting together way, just that if the hound returns i think itll be centered around sansa somehow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 You think so or you know so? It is known Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion The Huge Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 It is known It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion The Huge Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 this is one of those topics where i feel like people over think it with time. even though its the more anti-climactic answer, i have a feeling its going to be jaime. personally, my favorite pick would be the hound as the valonqar with sansa as the younger, more beautiful 'queen' (not in a them getting together way, just that if the hound returns i think itll be centered around sansa somehow). The hound being the valqonar would make absolutely no sense since he's "dead" and has no reason to go back to KL, not to mention no reason for killing her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White fish Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Various theories for Valonqar and younger, more beautiful queen: Cersei's theory: Tyrion + MargaeryObivous theory: Jaime + SansaPopular theory: Stannis + DanaerysAlternate theory:(f/r)Aegon + Arianne Any possible combination of these or something completely surprising are all possible with GRRM though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 ^ The Hound is like 100 miles from KL, not very far at all, and he is obviously not dead. However, any theory other than Tommen, Jaime, Tyrion, or Stannis is nonsensical. As unlikely as Tommen is, he obviously qualifies and I read a decent theory once that Cersei will kill him as foreshadowed by her actions at the Blackwater and he will then rise as a wight and strangle her to death as that seems to be how wights kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragondude121 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The hound being the valqonar would make absolutely no sense since he's "dead" and has no reason to go back to KL, not to mention no reason for killing her. Sandor Clegane is very likely to still be alive. There is much online speculation that he is the gravedigger Brienne sees while on the Quiet Isle in a Feast for Crows. As for him being the valonqar, people suggest this because he is the little brother of Gregor Clegane, which technically makes him a valonqar (little brother) candidate. In my mind, Jaime is the clear candidate for being the valonqar, strangling Cersei with his golden hand . As for Sandor Clegane, I do think he will be heading to King's Landing eventually, as he has a date with an undead older brother that he has a duty to slay with a flaming, or valyrian, but probably flaming sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdw4950 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The hound being the valqonar would make absolutely no sense since he's "dead" and has no reason to go back to KL, not to mention no reason for killing her. i did say in my post that i think its going to be jaime. the hound would just be a personal favorite choice because hes one of my favorite characters. its not as strong of a case as jaime, tyrion or maybe tommen but there are plenty of people who believe he could play a role in the prophecy if he returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 ^ The Hound is like 100 miles from KL, not very far at all, and he is obviously not dead. However, any theory other than Tommen, Jaime, Tyrion, or Stannis is nonsensical. As unlikely as Tommen is, he obviously qualifies and I read a decent theory once that Cersei will kill him as foreshadowed by her actions at the Blackwater and he will then rise as a wight and strangle her to death as that seems to be how wights kill. I agree except for Tommen. One Tommen will be dead by then (despite the wights explanation). And Two the quotes says this: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you. THE Valonqar.. not a Valonqar. Not any little brother qualifies, it has to be the little brother of the two people she is talking about, Robert and Cersie. So it's Jaime,Tyrion, Stannis or Renly... and Renly is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerSphinx Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think the whole reason Maggy (and GRRM) used Valyrian is to create ambiguity. If she had said "your twin brother, Jaime" we would know exactly who she meant. Or "your vertically challenged little brother, Tyrion." She didn't say "your little brother." She said "the Volanqar." So beautifully unclear! I don't believe we are forced to keep the pool of candidates small. My pet crackpot is that it is a missing or an unacknowledged Lannister (bastard of Tywin, bastard of Tytos, legit child of Tytos, Gerion). Petyr Baelish was born within a year of Tytos' death, and we know Tywin had Tytos' mistress paraded through Lannisport naked right after Tytos died.I like to think it is Littlefinger. I want "valanqor" to be slang for pinky finger. If Tywin raped Tytos' mistress, any child really would be Cercei's little brother or sister.Kevan insists that the woman was not harmed, only paraded about the streets. But we know what Tywin did to Tysha, and he might not share everything with Kevan. He was sleeping with Shae, so who knows what else he did.Crackpot, I know. Littlefinger did kill Joff, he leaked the incest, he manipulated Joff to behead Ned, and he framed Tyrion. He would treat Cercei like Lysa if it ever came to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The real irony would be if it turns out to be Tyrion in the end. It's pretty much all that motivates him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayce Hornwood Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 My bets are on Jaime. He's going to see the same madness within her that he saw in Aerys and the past is going to repeat itself. Jaime Lannister, Kingslayer, Queenslayer, Kinslayer... it just has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The obvious answer is Tyrion. The correct answer is Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 King Viserys, yes it says "The" but the sentence has 4 subjects, Cersei, Robert, Cersei's children, and Roberts, standard English includes all 4 as a possible "The". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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