Mehmet Eren Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ''Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all.'' Well What you think this means when I read this in native lan. it seems like;it means more than 2 dragon but in orginal text İ think this means Danny and fake Aegon ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ''Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all.'' Well What you think this means when I read this in native lan. it seems like;it means more than 2 dragon but in orginal text İ think this means Danny and fake Aegon ..... Old; Aemon Young: Jon True: Daenerys False: fAegon Bright: Brightflame? Dark: Blackfyre? Tyrion is the only one that has met all of the Targaryens in story (or will have when he gets to Mereen). I am guessing at the last two, being the Illyrio and Varys plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmet Eren Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 well said .... I have hint Varys is related to Blackfyre female line but I am not sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOsevens Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I like this idea also didn't realize Tyrion will meet all the Targaryens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 My guesses: Old: AemonYoung: JonTrue: DanyFalse: Young GriffBright: JaimeDark: Cersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 ''Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all.'' Well What you think this means when I read this in native lan. it seems like;it means more than 2 dragon but in orginal text İ think this means Danny and fake Aegon ..... Old & young are House Targaryen & House Blackfyre, true & false are Daenerys Daughter of Aerys & Aegon son of Rhaegar, and bright & dark are the red dragon & the black dragon. Tyrion is llike the deuteragonist of a classical play. He will bounce between the protagonist, Daenerys in this second Dance, and the antagonist, Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Old & young are House Targaryen & House Blackfyre, true & false are Daenerys Daughter of Aerys & Aegon son of Rhaegar, and bright & dark are the red dragon & the black dragon. Tyrion is llike the deuteragonist of a classical play. He will bounce between the protagonist, Daenerys in this second Dance, and the antagonist, Aegon. but that would literally be him saying Dany and Aegon, Dany and Aegon, Dany and Aegon.Seems like a lot of alliteration to just say two peoples name.And would red really mean bright? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northernmonkey Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think they probably come in pairs of related characters, so: Old and young - Aemon and JonTrue and False - Dany and AegonBright and Dark - not really sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 but that would literally be him saying Dany and Aegon, Dany and Aegon, Dany and Aegon.Seems like a lot of alliteration to just say two peoples name.And would red really mean bright?it highlights the contrasts between the two factions. Compared to black red is bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myufa Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I think it compares Dany to Bloodraven. BR is old, Dany is young. Dany is true born and BR is a bastard. Dany is associated with fire(bright) and BR lives in darkness. And it makes sense because they kind of represent the whole fire and ice thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cardaciotto Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 In my opinionOld: AemonYoung: JonTrue: DanyFalse: ArgonBright: Varys (descendant of Aerion Brightflame)Dark: Bloodraven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmet Eren Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Bright and Dark seems mystery to me ... I am not sure Bloodraven ... tyrion meet him ? but maybe crazy things happen and they meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I think they probably come in pairs of related characters, so: Old and young - Aemon and Jon True and False - Dany and Aegon Bright and Dark - not really sure I tend to agree, but I have my suspicions that the Bright/Dark paring is Varys and Illyrio and one of them is a Brightflame descendant (bright) and the other a Blackfyre descendant (dark). Notice that the more natural wording would have been light and dark -- the choice of bright and dark suggests an intentional reference to Brightflame (Aerion Targaryen) heritage, which then suggests that dark is a reference to Blackfyre (black .. dark) as the other heritage. Note that Tyrion is the only character who has encountered all of these people (other than Dany who we know he will meet soon). The more interesting question is whether Moqorro is hinting that Tryion also is one of the dragons: "And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all." While the words are intentionally ambiguous, I think the better reading is that Tyrion also is a dragon -- the dragon who will connect all the other dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Old is not Aemon. Aemon is dead. Old dragon is Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Old is not Aemon. Aemon is dead. Old dragon is Bloodraven. Tyrion has not met Bloodraven, he has met Aemon. Aemon might be dead but he was a dragon and Tyrion was in the midst of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scabbard Of the Morning Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Moqorro wasn't just talking about the past, he was also talking about the future. Bloodraven will play a part in the War for the Dawn, which Tyrion will also play a part. Aemon's meeting with Tyrion resulted in nothing and was not worth Moqorro commenting about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's also interesting that Moq identifies all these dragons around Tyrion, who remains a small man himself. IMO, some of the best evidence against Tyrion being a Targ or a dragonrider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnmaskedLurker Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 It's also interesting that Moq identifies all these dragons around Tyrion, who remains a small man himself. IMO, some of the best evidence against Tyrion being a Targ or a dragonrider. Are you serious? Did you read the rest of the sentence? It says "A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all." He is a dwarf -- he is a small man -- but with a "BIG" shadow. In other words, his impact on the rest of the dragons will be much larger than his small stature. And he is snarling -- like a dragon, perhaps? While I admit that this evidence is not definitive proof that Tyrion is a Targ or dragonrider (I depend on a lot more evidence than that for such a conclusion), but to suggest this line is strong evidence against Tyrion as a Targ or dragonrider merely because it notes his small stature is a weak argument (IMHO) -- especially given that context in which the very next thought is about his big shadow and his snarling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I don't necessarily think that this quote means that Tyrion has met or will meet all of the Targaryens referenced. I think it's more likely that Moqorro means that Tyrion will simply be in the center of the conflict involving all of these dragons. Also, upon reading some of these comments, I do think that Bloodraven is the old dragon, not Aemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I don't necessarily think that this quote means that Tyrion has met or will meet all of the Targaryens referenced. I think it's more likely that Moqorro means that Tyrion will simply be in the center of the conflict involving all of these dragons. Also, upon reading some of these comments, I do think that Bloodraven is the old dragon, not Aemon. The reason I think its Aemon is because they are paired off. Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of it all. Dragons old and young: Jon and Aemon together at the Wall true and false Daenerys and Aegon. We know Aegon original plan was to go to Daenerys in Mereen but Tyrion changed his mind. Now he plans to start the invasion and is hoping to attract her to his cause. Add to that Daenerys has been warned about the Mummer's Dragon. bright and dark I have a feeling this is Illryio and Varys who at this time at least strongly thought to be connected to the Blackfyres and/or the Brightflames. I think this suggests they are both. The obviously working together making sense of the pairing. Bloodraven, while a Targaryen, is someone that Tyrion has not met and there has been no indication that he will (he might but there is no hint what so ever yet that he will), and is not paired with another Dragon as of yet. He may meet up with Jon but again, that has not happened. Aemon on the other hand, not only met Tyrion, but said this about/ to him: "is a giant among them at the edge of the world." That is a very similar theme to Moqorro's quote isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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