#GreatOther Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 ASoIaF has shown us a hundreds of gods.... N all seem to have their powers... The Old Gods: Send Dreams, send. Direwolves(woah)... Weirwoods... Brans arc... All tells us that they r effective in their own way..R'holler: The red god is jealous n cruel.... But he can still send visions n even bring people back to LyfDrowned God: Making Damphair.. Unusual powers to drowned men... Resurrecting men lyk Aeron to a proper purpose.... (Maybe even Patchface)... Quiet Good...Many Faced God: Aryas arc in Braavos gives us a proper account that the God really has powers after paying prizes... Even the god of the faceless men grants them powers.... And maybe many others...What do the Seven, who are the most worshipped God in the Series, have?? All that is said of Seven seem mere coincidences.... Lyk, was the ship send to Davos on BWB was really a gift from the mother(I don't think so).... Lyk lighting a candle to Crone had shone the way....(lyk if u hadn't lit the candle.... U would've failed or died)... Doesnt that sound very Hypocritical....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Speedwagon Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Like* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 There is only one true godhis name is death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I think the seven have no power. They have numbers though and there is definitely power in blind faith and numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mish Windage Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 That thing Cat sews to save Jon and Bran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I haven't seen any indication that the Seven have any power. If anyone has, I'd be interested to read about it. GRRM says its based on Christianity. This statement largely pisses me off but that's my problem. I don't think they have any power, I think they're made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oegon Targaryen Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 The Seven is very similar to The Magisterium/Church from His Dark Materials IMO. Misguided and misinterpreting what's around them. Also, dogmatic and exclusionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I remember watching an interview with GRRM a long time ago where he talked about this, and he said that he was trying to let the readers make up their own mind about the religon, leaving it open for interpretation, much like religons in the world today. If there was a clear-cut answer to which religon was real, it would take away the mythisism (sp?) of them and in the books. I think the way GRRM portrays the religons is perfect. He shows *just enough* evidence for them to be real, but not enough for them to be considered 100% accurate. He lets his readers (much like the characters in his books) decide what they believe or not without enough evidence to swing the pendulam one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I remember watching an interview with GRRM a long time ago where he talked about this, and he said that he was trying to let the readers make up their own mind about the religon, leaving it open for interpretation, much like religons in the world today. If there was a clear-cut answer to which religon was real, it would take away the mythisism (sp?) of them and in the books. I think the way GRRM portrays the religons is perfect. He shows *just enough* evidence for them to be real, but not enough for them to be considered 100% accurate. He lets his readers (much like the characters in his books) decide what they believe or not without enough evidence to swing the pendulam one way or another. He is a Catholic though and has said that the Seven were based on the Holy Trinity although he used Seven Faces of the same God instead of three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaeligar Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 What bothers me is the way a Septon can be bought, It reminds me of Catholicism, with Baelors Sept as the Vatican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 He is a Catholic though and has said that the Seven were based on the Holy Trinity although he used Seven Faces of the same God instead of three. Technically he's not Catholic, he denounced religion and is now agnostic (actually says this in his latest video on his blog). All his relgons are based on real-life ones. My point is, in the books (just like real life), he gives just enough evidence for a religon to be considered "true", yet not enough evidence for it to be considered "100% accurate". If that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clegane'sPup Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Why the Seven is the dominant religion in Westeros I do not know, but I would think that much like in the real world geography & history play a role: Buddhism, Christanity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Paganism, Shinto and the list goes on... in ASOIAF different regions worship and pray to what they believe will help them. I thought the safest response would be to share the information provided by the link and let you make your own mind. :cool4: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Religion The old gods seem like an animistic religion.The Seven bears some distinct similarities to the Catholic church in structure and organization. The Seven is an analog of the Trinity, having seven gods in one rather than three (Father, Warrior, Smith, Maiden, Mother, Crone, and Stranger), and complete with monastic orders, dormant military orders (Faith Militant), and a Pope/College of Cardinals (High Septon/Most Devout).R'hllor is similar in many ways to Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism, with a strong dualism between the Lord of Light and the Nameless Other of Darkness, apocalyptic theology, and religious practice that is strongly intertwined with the use and symbiology of fire.Some other religions are examples of polytheism, in which people attempt to understand forces of nature by giving them human shapes.The Storm God and the Drowned God could be related to Norse mythology, encouraging the lifestyle of raiding and reaving just as the religion of the Vikings did.The Mother Rhoyne religion is polytheistic worshipping of the Rhoyne and many lesser river-dwelling deities such as the Old Man of the River and the Crab King. The Rhoynar may be inspired by the Roma, to a degree.[2]Martin tries to slowly reveal in how the many different kinds of magic in the Ice and Fire world may be manifestations of the same mysterious supernatural forces. This leaves readers free to wonder about the validity, teachings and supernatural power of the competing religions, allowing for a sense of wonder, for things that escape the net of explanation in terms of the physical sciences. Martin regards any religion's claim to truth with suspicion, as he does the claims of real religions. The series' gods, he said, are unlikely to appear deus-ex-machina in Westeros.[3] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 The power of politics and propaganda, that's more powerful than any of that magic stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Something either saved Davos or resurrected him...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/94042-did-davos-actually-drown-after-the-battle-of-the-blackwater/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreativeName Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I just wrote a thread about the validity of the religions over here. To my mind, it makes a strong case against the notion of deities being existent in ASoI&F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The Seven reminds me of Christianity or Islam - conquering new lands, superseding paganism, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Onions Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Yeah, this really bother me too and I've tried to sum up the supposed miracles of the main religions in Westeros in this thread:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/126572-miracles-of-the-faith/ ASoIaF has shown us a hundreds of gods.... N all seem to have their powers...The Old Gods: Send Dreams, send. Direwolves(woah)... Weirwoods... Brans arc... All tells us that they r effective in their own way..R'holler: The red god is jealous n cruel.... But he can still send visions n even bring people back to LyfDrowned God: Making Damphair.. Unusual powers to drowned men... Resurrecting men lyk Aeron to a proper purpose.... (Maybe even Patchface)... Quiet Good...Many Faced God: Aryas arc in Braavos gives us a proper account that the God really has powers after paying prizes... Even the god of the faceless men grants them powers....And maybe many others...What do the Seven, who are the most worshipped God in the Series, have?? All that is said of Seven seem mere coincidences....Lyk, was the ship send to Davos on BWB was really a gift from the mother(I don't think so).... Lyk lighting a candle to Crone had shone the way....(lyk if u hadn't lit the candle.... U would've failed or died)... Doesnt that sound very Hypocritical....? OP which unusual powers of the drowned men are you referring to? And I strongly disagree with anyone claiming that a religion doesn't need magic in asoiaf. I mean in our magicless world all the religions have magic and miracles in it (except Dudeism maybe?). In Planetos, dragons are not forgotten and isn't it common knowledge that BR was a warg? That riddle with a thousand eyes and one? And nevertheless people choose to believe in the only religion without magical power (or without claiming any). I should add that I'm not trying to make any religion "truer" than the other. And I really don't think that GRRM is heading that way either.What I find interesting is the reasons and causes of the relative popularity of each religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 The Seven was brought over from Essos.Dragons technically aren't magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veloknight Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 None of the gods have any provable powers, or even provable existence, except possibly the long lifespans and communication of the Weirwoods. Some adherents of the religion of many of these gods have powers. There's a distinction that should be made between supernatural human abilities and divine intervention, and while some characters believe divine intervention will play a role, it certainly doesn't seem to be the animating force of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdaw Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 ASoIaF has shown us a hundreds of gods.... N all seem to have their powers... The Old Gods: Send Dreams, send. Direwolves(woah)... Weirwoods... Brans arc... All tells us that they r effective in their own way.. R'holler: The red god is jealous n cruel.... But he can still send visions n even bring people back to Lyf Drowned God: Making Damphair.. Unusual powers to drowned men... Resurrecting men lyk Aeron to a proper purpose.... (Maybe even Patchface)... Quiet Good... Many Faced God: Aryas arc in Braavos gives us a proper account that the God really has powers after paying prizes... Even the god of the faceless men grants them powers.... And maybe many others... What do the Seven, who are the most worshipped God in the Series, have?? All that is said of Seven seem mere coincidences.... Lyk, was the ship send to Davos on BWB was really a gift from the mother(I don't think so).... Lyk lighting a candle to Crone had shone the way....(lyk if u hadn't lit the candle.... U would've failed or died)... Doesnt that sound very Hypocritical....?In the old days martial arts movies would make the audience wait for the first fight scene, and often not have the star of the movie participate. Consider your opinion may be what the author wants, an opinion he has deliberately created, now consider why he might have done that. Wait for it, the Faith will be attributed their miracles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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