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All crows are liars. And Bran is working for the biggest three-eyed liar of them all. Brans arc is moving towards the anti-hero side.




“You will never walk again, but you will fly.” -Bloodraven to Bran.



In this post we will explore how Bran has already become the ice dragon I call The IceBrandon. But it’s true name I suspect is Winter. Winter is Coming sure has a whole new meaning now. And Bran did this in the very first book, A Game of Thrones. The biggest clues is are the words “grey mist” as ice dragon breath and “wings unseen” being translucent ice-made wings similar to the description of the Others sword in the prologue of AGoT. We will explore how Bran may have already died once or twice. First after falling and he gives corn (his seed, his soul) to BR and wakes up and perhaps a second time in a scene where “Brandon Stark could taste his blood” in a vision. and lastly how Bran is an “abomination” and is a part of the “Nights King” reborn prophesy (why it is in quotes will be revealed in a future post). He is the only person to go beyond the “curtain of light” to true darkness as opposed to shadow creatures of light. There is no shadow in darkness and ice casts no shadow either. Brandon The Builder may also be the original Nights King as well as his namesake.



First let’s read this passages from The World of Ice and Fire:




Of all the queer and fabulous denizens of the Shivering Sea, however, the greatest are the ice dragons. These colossal beasts, many times larger than the dragons of Valyria, are said to be made of living ice, with eyes of pale blue crystal and
vast translucent wings
through which the moon and stars can be glimpsed as they wheel across the sky. Whereas common dragons (if any dragon can truly be said to be common) breathe flame,
ice dragons supposedly breathe cold, a chill so terrible that it can freeze a man solid in half a heartbeat.
Sailors from half a hundred nations have glimpsed these great beasts over the centuries, so mayhaps there is some truth behind the tales. Archmaester Margate has suggested that many legends of the north—
f
reezing mists,
ice ships, Cannibal Bay, and the like—
can be explained as distorted reports of ice-dragon activity.
Though an amusing notion, and not without a certain elegance, this remains the purest conjecture. As ice dragons supposedly melt when slain, no actual proof of their existence has ever been found.

-The World of Ice and Fire – Beyond the Free Cities: The Shivering Sea:



And now let’s compare it to Brans POV in AGoT:




Bran remembered the way he shattered. “But I never fall,” he said, falling. The ground was so far below him he could barely make it out through the
grey mists
that whirled around him



“Grey mists” is the key word there. I think those grey mists may point to the icefyre breath of an icedragon. Bran is falling down screaming in this dream.




Bran was falling faster than ever. The
grey mists howled around
him as he plunged toward the earth below. “What are you doing to me?” he asked the crow, tearful. Teaching you how to fly. “I can’t fly!” You’re flying tight now. “I’m falling!” Every flight begins with a fall, the crow said. Look down. “I’m afraid . . . ”
Bran spread his arms and flew.
Wings unseen(!) drank the wind and filled and pulled him upward.
The terrible needles of ice receded below him. The sky opened up above. Bran soared. It was better than climbing. It was better than anything. The world grew small beneath him.



“Wings unseen!”



“The wings unseen” are the translucent ice wings of the ice dragon. Now look at the root of the word translucent; luce, latin for light. The name lucifer means lightbringer. But more on that later in Endgame of Thrones Part 2: Azor Ahannister. If fire dragons are fire made flesh, ice dragons are cold-made hide.




Bran felt along his shoulders, groping for feathers.
There are different kinds of wings, the crow said.



There are “different kinds of wings?” Hmmm. Do tell. What Other kind of wings are there? What other kind of flying creature could possibly fly Bran not only to, but beyond the Lands of Always Winter and past the curtain of light.



The wings are there, but we don’t see them. Where else have we encountered something like that? The Others sword. Lets compare the description of Brans wings above to the description of the Others sword in the prologue of AGOT.




“It was alive with moonlight,
translucent, a shard of crystal so thin that it seemed almost to vanish when seen edge-on.
There was a faint blue shimmer to the thing, a ghost-light that played around its edges, and somehow Will knew it was sharper than any razor.” –Will.



The similarity is eerie.



The Ice Dragon is a constellation and is often mentioned in the context of the closest synonym to mists; clouds. When you look in the thesaurus for mist, the first answer is clouds. Clouds may be a subtle hint to the grey mists.




When they lost their way, as happened once or twice, they need only wait for a clear cold night when the clouds did not intrude, and look up in the sky for the ice dragon. -Bran II, ASOS



Back to Bran Chapter 17 to look at Bran potentially dying or giving of his soul to BR.




It was cold here in the darkness. There was no sun, no stars, only the ground below coming up to smash him, and the grey mists, and the whispering voice. He wanted to cry.

Not cry. Fly.

“Help me,” he said.

I’m trying, the crow replied. Say, got any corn?

Bran reached into his pocket as the darkness spun dizzily around him. When he pulled his hand out, golden kernels slid from between his fingers into the air. They fell with him.

The crow landed on his hand and began to eat.

“I’ll wake up when I hit the ground,” Bran told the bird.

You’ll die when you hit the ground, the crow said. It went back to eating corn.



You’ll die when you hit the ground? Hmmm. Bran did hit the ground by the tower though.



In giving the crow (Bloodraven) the corn in his pocket, Bran literally gave him his seed, and gave up his soul to become reborn.



This is from the story of the Nights King and his Queen:



“and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.”



But as I point out here, that may not be the case. The woman was not his downfall.


BR gave him new life and a third eye on his forehead. Perhaps Bran did die when he hit the ground below the tower. Bran may have been reborn in the earth under the tower which may have roots flowing from the Weirwood tree which I strongly believe run into the crypts and lichyard.




“The stone is strong, Bran told himself, the roots of the trees go deep, and under the ground the Kings of Winter sit their thrones. So long as those remained, Winterfell remained
.It was not dead, just broken. Like me, he thought.
I’m not dead either.



Bran died when he fell and was reborn using earth and tree just as Dany died and was reborn using fire magic. And Jon died and will be reborn using ice magic. In a similar way to how Victarion died and was reborn atop water (on a ship named Silence made of Wierwood that was painted red to hide all the blood stains [read: sacrifices] on deck) using fire and water magics, evidenced by Victarions POV going from first person to third person after Moqorro does the ritual.



Not only may Bran have already died to “become” The Icebrandon but Bran may already have a second time after the fall when he gets visions from the present to the birth of the Winterfell tree:




And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man’s feet drummed against the earth … but as
his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.



Arya lost her sight so she could learn to truly “see.” Could Bran have been killed to become one with the trees and allow his spirit to truly bind with the ice dragon? Who was the “his” GRRM mentioned above after a pair of ellipses that GRRM rarely uses. Was it the “his” the man sacrificed in the Weirvision or was it Bran tasting his own blood? Only life pays for life. Bran is now King in The North as Robb is dead, so his blood has power. Two kings blood to wake the dragon, the father and the son, so both die as kings. Is Roose working with Bloodraven, taking Robbs blood as a sacrifice and then Brans to wake the ice dragon?




Bran was staring at his arms, his legs. He was so skinny, just skin stretched taut over bones. Had he always been so thin? He tried to remember.
A face swam up at him out of the grey mist, shining with light, golden. “The things I do for love,” it said.

Bran screamed.



Bran screamed and grey mist appeared. When dragons scream, death comes out of their mouthes. The mist is the icefyre encircling Jaime Azor Ahannister, reborn, the champion of the The Lord of Light.



So… translucent wings unseen, check. Freezing grey mist, check. Super powerful skinchanger, check.



The valyrian word for “Lord of Light” Aeksiot Ono is almost identical to the word for “goldenhand” which is Aeksion Ondos. Jamie Lannister is Azor Ahai, his face “shining with light, golden.”



Jamie, the hero of shining golden light is rushing face first directly towards a terrible ice dragon that threatens humanity breathing grey mist of impossible coldness directly at him. The shining light and heat emanating from him is Lightbringer. GRRM masterfully will put us on the side of innocent Bran for almost 8,000 pages only to do this major reveal at the end where he will switch who the perceived heroes and antiheroes of humanity are. More on Azor Ahannister in Endgame of Thrones Part 2.




In a bed high in some chilly tower room, and the black-haired woman dropped a basin of water to shatter on the floor and ran down the steps, shouting,
“He’s awake, he’s awake, he’s awake.”



Jaime woke him. Jaime woke the IceBrandon. You never want to wake the IceBrandon.



The IceBrandon casts no shadow.



Old Nan specifically told Bran that The Night’s King was a Stark. Bran won’t become Godzilla and try to destroy all life. His focus is revenge on Jaime. Jaime is the only hope for humanity as he is Azor Ahannister. So by fighting Jaime, Bran fights humanities only hope. This entire story is set in play by the conflict between Bran and Jaime. Their conflict begins the saga and it will frame its conclusion.



We learn from Varymyr that things Bran does are abominations like eating people while warging and skinchanging humans. Why would GRRM mention that so prominently if not to refer to Bran? Hodor is like Brans second skin. That means The Great Other is his second skin as Hodor is the Name of the Great Other. GRRM even made Hodors real name (Walder) evil too. He is probably under a spell making him unable to say anything else by the GO.



If Bran is the Nights King, The IceBrandon would cast no shadow as he is translucent and would have the shiniest blue eyes of anything introduced in the series thusfar.



He is the only “living” person to ever go beyond the “curtain of light” that he calls it. Melissandre is the most misunderstood character according to GRRM. We are hung up on her shadow babies. But shadows are servants of the light. Only Bran goes beyond the curtain of light to what Tyrion called the second wall, “a wall of darkness.” There are no shadows beyond the curtain of light, as there is no light.



Hodor is part of Bran. He is his legs. Hodr is also the name of The Great Other, the name that must not be spoken. Bran may take take a turn for the worse in the upcoming battle for humanity. Remember the Nights King was a Stark according to Old Nan. They say that The Nights King name and memory has been removed from history, but we keep hearing about Bran The Builder doing innumerable things. Perhaps Bran The Builder was Brandon Stark, Nights King? It get’s a bit more complicated as by giving Bloodraven the “corn” when “he gave his seed he gave his soul” and we will explore that in future essays.



Bran will battle Jamie as this entire series is set on course in the battle and interplay between Jamie and Bran that began in the tower of Winterfell. Bran is a contender with Roose Bolton, Stannis Baratheon, Jon Starkgaryan and Benjen Stark (HT Aziz from History of Westeros for Benjen) to be the Nights King.




“Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow.” Appears n Danys vision/prophesy.



GRRM uses red herrings pointing to Stannis in his the Nights King, with him casting shadowbabies and claiming the Night Fort for himself. But Stannis is precisely a king who has cast many shadows. And Melissandre tells us that shadow is servant to the light. There is no shadow beyond the “curtain of light” that only Bran has seen, and soars in. A place so terrible he cries. There lies a place where someone would cast no shadow.



Bran is the winged wolf becoming one of the most powerful greenseers and human beings ever, as a product of the Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully. His blood gives him his power. “Your blood makes you a greenseer, Bran.”



Ned Starks Blood



1) Other blood. Starks have “Kings of Winter” blood. This name suggests a relationship to the Others after the Starks and humanity won the Long Night, they may have taken an Other woman in and sealed the peace by marriage. Her remains and spirit may be in the crypt of Winterfell and is the reason why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell, because the crypt is a prison (HT: c_forrester_thorne) for her or where her spirit rests as a Stark Queen by marriage.



2) Children of The Forrest greenseer blood via House Reed. House Reed of the Crannog was never successfully defeated militarily and only became vassal to House Stark by marriage. House Reed shares many traits and stature with the Children of The Forrest and is rumored to be related to them.



3) Warg King blood. After defeating the Warg King and the Stark heir accepting daughter of the Warg King in peace treaty, I think that is when the Starks dropped the moniker of the King of Winter and took on the Warg Kings direwolf sigil to get us off the trail of the Other connection.



Catelyn Tully's blood



1) Water blood paternally via Hoster Tully.



2) Bat blood via her mother Minisa of House Whent. Bats are flying beasts of the darkness.



So Bran’s blood contains Other/winter blood, Children of The Forrest and Warg Kings (say it fast and it sounds like warging) from his father and from his mother he gets water and flying scary creatures of the night. Combine them all together and you have a greenseer so in Bran we have have the elements of ice (freezing cold and water), and a scary beast that flies only in the dark of night.



Brans wolfs is named Summer. And because of Bran, summer will die.



Winter is coming.


I have a line by line review of Bran’s chapter where he flew Winter the IceDragon. You can read it here.


Summary: Brans blood includes magic involving cold, warging & a flying nocturnal monster of the night in his Whent blood. Combined and we get a basis to become an icedragon. Bran may have already become an ice dragon spewing supercold “grey mist” in his coma dream with Bloodraven. As The Icebrandon, Bran is translucent, casting no shadow with incredibly bright blue eyes fitting the vision prophesy Dany has of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow, unlike Stannis who has cast many shadows and is servant of the light. Shadows are servants of the light and GRRM has said Melissandre is the most misunderstood character. The NK won’t come from shadows, but only pure darkness. BR tells Bran to cloak himself in darkness & he only person “alive” to ever be cloaked by pure darkness and go outside the curtain of light.


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Very interesting ideas in here.


Not sure about Jaimie being Azor Ahai, but I particularly buy into:



  • Hodor being the name of the Great Other
  • Bran flying the ice dragon and leading The Others in the final battle


Like the general theme of George's plot and characters in ASOIAF, I don't believe there are the good guys and bad guys; no black and white


The Others could be a way of cleansing Westeros which has seen to many atrocities and bloodshed.


It could be a way to unite the warring families to a common goal.

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If Hodor the Great Other, and Hodor is Brans legs, what does that make Bran?



They keep mentioning Bran will never walk again but he will fly. He is the most powerful human being ever perhaps and is associated with the cold beyond the wall now. What is GRRM building up for him to fly? A crow? A raven? Nope.


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I like the attempt at prediction, but, I truly don't believe it to be possible to accuratly determine GRRM plannd end.

- I agree with the assertion that the Others arenot nescesarily bad, and even if Bran does lead them, I highly doubt they would destroy all of humanity... Whats the benefit in doing that? Seems to cliche for GRRM. Perhaps, the WW are the original beings in Westeros and they only want their lands back? mabey they spread winter because they cannot live in summer?...

Relating Bran to Dany's vision is interesting, it may be that he cannot cast a shadow, but how do you explain the Sword that looks like a Sunset? Is Bran going to weild a flaming sword?( then again, a sword of ice is clear, and with a proper backdrop it could look like a sunset, also he could wield a obsideon sword- what do they look like again?) Seems unlikely, unless Bran wargs Stannis's body or something farfetched.

There is also a incredibly signifcant dichotomy that is being ignored here. The COTF and the Others arenot on the same side, and Bran and BR are allied with the COTF.

The others were trying to kill Bran, he almost died, so it's hard to believe he is on their side. Evidence that proves the COTF and Others are against each other is that they fight with obsideon. My personal belief is that their are many factions of COTF hiding somewhere in the North. Obviously old magic can control the dead, as BR does with ColdHands,- if Bran can warg trees warging a dead body should be possible.... - Perhaps Bran helps in fighting agiainst these "rouge"-( one should fight fire with fire, or in this case ice with ice) factions, or perhaps he joins them- but eithor way, I highly doubt the ending of ASOIF will be something like Jaime being the hero of humanity vs Bran the destroyer of summer. I don't think BR has an agenda in trying to kill all humans.... however, there could be COTF hiding that are resentful towards humanity.

- remember, Starks are one with their direwolfs, Summer is as much as Bran as Bran is himself. As of now, summer is a signifacnt part of Bran,- perhaps Summer will die and that will represent bran loosing his humanity... but I doubt it. Summer and Bran are one and the same, if Summer does die I think that could only represent brans death aswell.

I dont think we should take Melisandre's opinion on anything too seriously- having a God of Light that controls shadows makes little sense. Shadows being servents of light make even less sense. I wouldnot be surprised if Rhollor and the Other are two sides of the same God. BR telling Bran that darkness will make him strong is eerie, however, who knows what BR meant by that? Mabey he just wants Bran to work from the shadows, and be content with helping people without being recognized as a hero.- Mabey BR wants Bran to learn that he doesnot need to be a shining Knight in Armour, that its okay to not be acknowledged by everyone.

We also shouldnot take a wildling of questionalble moral code's opinions as fact eithor. Mabey the COTF think its an honor to be warged? Who knows. My point is that just because one wildling thinks something is a abomination doesnot make it so to everyone. Tywin thinks Dwarfs are abominations, does that make it true?

"there is no shadow in darkness" I don't really buy this statement. Darkness is a lack of light, a shadow is created when a light source is being blocked, meaning that a lapse of light is created.- Having a room full of shadows and having one filled with darkness is the same imo.

I see Bran more as a champion of the COTF, rather than the Others.- Bran might be able to rekindle relationships between COTF and Humans. However, if my other clans theory is true, Bran could also be the one to restore Westeros to the COTF.

Lastly, I don't agree with the whole Jaime is AA reborn. I think the fact that Melisandre saw John in her fires is very strong evidence that he is AA. However, the argument against John being AA is quite strong- he isnot of the red faith, he worships the old gods, etc... I think Dany has a much greater chance of being AA ( if their is a reborn AA )than Jaime. Besides how could Jaime compete with Bran? he would somehow need a dragon.

Hodor being the name of the Great Other in fascinating, ( what if the Great Other punished Hodor for having the same name as him, which is why Hodor is mentally restricted) - But that doesnot nescesarily mean Bran is a servent of the great other, or that the great other is a source of evil.

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I like the attempt at prediction, but, I truly don't believe it to be possible to accuratly determine GRRM plannd end.

- I agree with the assertion that the Others arenot nescesarily bad, and even if Bran does lead them, I highly doubt they would destroy all of humanity... Whats the benefit in doing that? Seems to cliche for GRRM. Perhaps, the WW are the original beings in Westeros and they only want their lands back? mabey they spread winter because they cannot live in summer?...

Relating Bran to Dany's vision is interesting, it may be that he cannot cast a shadow, but how do you explain the Sword that looks like a Sunset? Is Bran going to weild a flaming sword?( then again, a sword of ice is clear, and with a proper backdrop it could look like a sunset, also he could wield a obsideon sword- what do they look like again?) Seems unlikely, unless Bran wargs Stannis's body or something farfetched.

There is also a incredibly signifcant dichotomy that is being ignored here. The COTF and the Others arenot on the same side, and Bran and BR are allied with the COTF.

The others were trying to kill Bran, he almost died, so it's hard to believe he is on their side. Evidence that proves the COTF and Others are against each other is that they fight with obsideon. My personal belief is that their are many factions of COTF hiding somewhere in the North. Obviously old magic can control the dead, as BR does with ColdHands,- if Bran can warg trees warging a dead body should be possible.... - Perhaps Bran helps in fighting agiainst these "rouge"-( one should fight fire with fire, or in this case ice with ice) factions, or perhaps he joins them- but eithor way, I highly doubt the ending of ASOIF will be something like Jaime being the hero of humanity vs Bran the destroyer of summer. I don't think BR has an agenda in trying to kill all humans.... however, there could be COTF hiding that are resentful towards humanity.

- remember, Starks are one with their direwolfs, Summer is as much as Bran as Bran is himself. As of now, summer is a signifacnt part of Bran,- perhaps Summer will die and that will represent bran loosing his humanity... but I doubt it. Summer and Bran are one and the same, if Summer does die I think that could only represent brans death aswell.

I dont think we should take Melisandre's opinion on anything too seriously- having a God of Light that controls shadows makes little sense. Shadows being servents of light make even less sense. I wouldnot be surprised if Rhollor and the Other are two sides of the same God. BR telling Bran that darkness will make him strong is eerie, however, who knows what BR meant by that? Mabey he just wants Bran to work from the shadows, and be content with helping people without being recognized as a hero.- Mabey BR wants Bran to learn that he doesnot need to be a shining Knight in Armour, that its okay to not be acknowledged by everyone.

We also shouldnot take a wildling of questionalble moral code's opinions as fact eithor. Mabey the COTF think its an honor to be warged? Who knows. My point is that just because one wildling thinks something is a abomination doesnot make it so to everyone. Tywin thinks Dwarfs are abominations, does that make it true?

"there is no shadow in darkness" I don't really buy this statement. Darkness is a lack of light, a shadow is created when a light source is being blocked, meaning that a lapse of light is created.- Having a room full of shadows and having one filled with darkness is the same imo.

I see Bran more as a champion of the COTF, rather than the Others.- Bran might be able to rekindle relationships between COTF and Humans. However, if my other clans theory is true, Bran could also be the one to restore Westeros to the COTF.

Lastly, I don't agree with the whole Jaime is AA reborn. I think the fact that Melisandre saw John in her fires is very strong evidence that he is AA. However, the argument against John being AA is quite strong- he isnot of the red faith, he worships the old gods, etc... I think Dany has a much greater chance of being AA ( if their is a reborn AA )than Jaime. Besides how could Jaime compete with Bran? he would somehow need a dragon.

Hodor being the name of the Great Other in fascinating, ( what if the Great Other punished Hodor for having the same name as him, which is why Hodor is mentally restricted) - But that doesnot nescesarily mean Bran is a servent of the great other, or that the great other is a source of evil.

A sword that looks like sunset is not the sword that looks like a bright summer day. Sunset comes just before darkness.

Light will go out, crops will die, almost everyone will die. Only lighting the lighthouse can bring light and heat back and push the Others back and its curtain of light will expand all the way to the wall.

The COTF was brought almost to extinction by men. And they are working with the three eyed crow. "Crows are all liars" Old Nan told Bran. Nothing she told him has been wrong.

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Lastly, I don't agree with the whole Jaime is AA reborn. I think the fact that Melisandre saw John in her fires is very strong evidence that he is AA. However, the argument against John being AA is quite strong- he isnot of the red faith, he worships the old gods, etc... I think Dany has a much greater chance of being AA ( if their is a reborn AA )than Jaime. Besides how could Jaime compete with Bran? he would somehow need a dragon.

Hodor being the name of the Great Other in fascinating, ( what if the Great Other punished Hodor for having the same name as him, which is why Hodor is mentally restricted) - But that doesnot nescesarily mean Bran is a servent of the great other, or that the great other is a source of evil.

Hodors real name is Walder. He has a spell on him to be unable to say anything else by the Great Other. GRRM even made his real name evil, the same name as Walder Frey.

When I get time (midterms season) I will flush it out more in my post on Azor Ahannister, but this post gets the gist of why Jamie is Azor Ahai.

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A sword that looks like sunset is not the sword that looks like a bright summer day. Sunset comes just before darkness.

Light will go out, crops will die, almost everyone will die. Only lighting the lighthouse can bring light and heat back and push the Others back and its curtain of light will expand all the way to the wall.

The COTF was brought almost to extinction by men. And they are working with the three eyed crow. "Crows are all liars" Old Nan told Bran. Nothing she told him has been wrong.

The sword is described to be Red, and to Glow like a sunset. Red seems to symbolize fire, and if something Glows it gives of ligh. - Don't really see why a being of ice would weild a Red Sword that Glows.- I don't really see Bran fighting with a sword at all actually. The swords that the WW use are clear, with a blueish tint,- clearly a red sword that glows like the sunset is something different.

"Crows are all liars" could merely refer to the fact that the vows of the Nights Watch are impossible to keep, making many crows liars.- Being a liar doesnot change the fact the COTF were said to accept their fate ( According to Bran's POV),- and that their is strong evidence that Bran willnot join the Other.- If wights are controlled by the other,- why attack Bran? I think it's obvious that the COTF arenot allied with the Other. - they fight with obsideon... Of course, this could all be a ploy in order to slowley transfer Bran over to the Other's side, however as of now, I would say thats too much of a stretch to say with any certainty.

I read the link about AA Jaime, and while I agree it is possible ( however almost anything is possible) their is more evidence supporting other candidated for AA (Jon Snow and Dany being prominent) If anyone knows who AA is it's most likely Rhollor right? And when Melisandre asked Rhollor for AA he showed her Jon- now this can be misdirection by GRRM, but again thats another assumption that has to be made to support Jaime. Basically, there are to many assumptions and not enough textual evidence to support Jaime AA.

Besides, unless Jaime gets his Hand magically healed ( it is possible) he is a subpar swordsment at best. Then again, Bran is also crippled....

Truthfully, I think the whole Reincarnation business is one giant red herring,- religeons around the world have prophecies of Saviours rising agian, it's quite normal for a religeous insitution to support such a belief.

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If Jon comes back then he could potentially have those blue eyes of the others. He himself has a dream in one of his last chapters in dance where he is wearing armor of ice and wielding a flaming sword. This fits Danys dream or vision much better than Bran.



Im not against the idea of an ice dragon or Bran flying it, but i doubt he will be the Great Other. If he found out that BR was the bad guy i think he would destroy him and the COTF too if he had to.


He named his direwolf Summer immediately after going through that curtain and waking up. Because he loves his wolf and hates whatever he saw up there.



The whole Starks having blood of the Nights King doesnt make any sense either. The Nights King was a LC of the NW. That means there was a different Stark who was lord of Winterfell whose blood line would have continued to Bran. And even if that was the same blood line (Night King father to lord of WF) the blood of the Lady Walker doesnt tie to Bran. Im not even going to get into bat blood...


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Its not the first time I've thought that it very well may be the Starks who brought the evil to the world. The first time I read Old Nan's words about the Night's King being a Stark I believed her.



I think this is really very interesting and I also believe there is an Ice Dragon in Winterfell, and I have not failed to notice Davos's description of the constellation of the Ice Dragon.



Hodor being the Great Other is actually older news as he's been hooked up with a Norse God before. Jaime being AAR, I've never read that one, but for one that began so evil and has been on an arc of redemption, how better than to defeat the Great Other. Anyway, I saw a link up there about Jaime, I'm going to read it.



As with everything else on this forum, I keep an open mind about it and I do find this interesting enough to keep in mind. Thanks.


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Hi all,



I do think sometime Bran can turn into evil but instead of that Bran will or can do bad things to defeat the evil...



Secondly so far every familly has good and bad people ....Therefore Nightking maybe stark and evil also we we know as a fact King of the winter was cruel harsh kings.....


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I have to say this, if the Starks end up the bad guys, is Walder Frey a hero? Oh, be still my heart!

My goodness. The ultimate "F U" to narrative tropes. Madness would probably run amok in my mind eternally after a revelation like that.

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In Star Wars Darth Vader almost destroyed the "light side" but then killed the emperor, thus restoring balance. He may have a similar arc.



The series opened with a Bran POV. I think it may end with a Bran POV dying in his tree hundreds of years later, looking back on everything that happened in the series. Ending with his eyes finally closed and black takes over.


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Its not the first time I've thought that it very well may be the Starks who brought the evil to the world. The first time I read Old Nan's words about the Night's King being a Stark I believed her.

I think this is really very interesting and I also believe there is an Ice Dragon in Winterfell, and I have not failed to notice Davos's description of the constellation of the Ice Dragon.

Hodor being the Great Other is actually older news as he's been hooked up with a Norse God before. Jaime being AAR, I've never read that one, but for one that began so evil and has been on an arc of redemption, how better than to defeat the Great Other. Anyway, I saw a link up there about Jaime, I'm going to read it.

As with everything else on this forum, I keep an open mind about it and I do find this interesting enough to keep in mind. Thanks.

If there is an Ice Dragon at WF it is the super-cooled black pond. The black may be from oily stone at the bottom and/or the original Ice sword at its bottom.

Normally the further down you go into the earth, the colder. But it is warmer in the crypts. And then the heat source moves north to Bran/Jon/Beyond The Wall? And Summer sees something like a dragon. So there is heat too.

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