[Book Spoilers] GRRM Confirms Osha in WoW

[Petyr Targaryen]

At the San Francisco premiere recently, GRRM was interviewed and confirmed that we'll be seeing a lot more of Osha in WoW. Obviously, we know that Davos was tasked by Manderly to find Rickon and Rickon was with Osha last time we saw him. So do you think that us seeing more of Osha means Davos will find Rickon, or do you think GRRM will throw us a curveball (in typical GRRM fashion) and have Osha appear somewhere else, and possibly without Rickon?

Personally, I'm not really sure. I think we were all safely assuming that we'd see Osha/Rickon again, but from the interview it sounded like we'd be seeing her for more than one chapter. There's also speculation that Manderly is just leading Davos on a wild goose chase, so perhaps we'll see Osha and/or Rickon in another POV chapter altogether.

[ShadowCat Rivers]

Rickon is a game changer for the northern political scene, and I would think it's now time to see its effects. So I suppose that indeed it will be about Davos finding them and returning them to the forefront.

It would as well affect the paths of the Stark children POVs so it will be interesting in that regard too.

[SynthFG]

At the San Francisco premiere recently, GRRM was interviewed and confirmed that we'll be seeing a lot more of Osha in WoW. Obviously, we know that Davos was tasked by Manderly to find Rickon and Rickon was with Osha last time we saw him. So do you think that us seeing more of Osha means Davos will find Rickon, or do you think GRRM will throw us a curveball (in typical GRRM fashion) and have Osha appear somewhere else, and possibly without Rickon?

Personally, I'm not really sure. I think we were all safely assuming that we'd see Osha/Rickon again, but from the interview it sounded like we'd be seeing her for more than one chapter. There's also speculation that Manderly is just leading Davos on a wild goose chase, so perhaps we'll see Osha and/or Rickon in another POV chapter altogether.

There's no point in Manderly sending Davos on a wild goose chase

Before talking with Wyman, Davos had no idea that Rikon and Bran were alive and there were 1001 more profitable wild goose chases that Davos could have been sent on

The only reason for sharing what he had learned from Wex with Davos was to get Davos looking for the boy

We've also seen the set up of Ramsey's bitches being trained to fight wolves, so Shaggy vs the Girls should be an epic

[SevasTra82]

Rickon is a game changer for the northern political scene, and I would think it's now time to see its effects. So I suppose that indeed it will be about Davos finding them and returning them to the forefront.

It would as well affect the paths of the Stark children POVs so it will be interesting in that regard too.

:agree:

Rickon is an interesting piece the to puzzle, his prescence could completely change the tide of the war in the North for both the Starks and Stannis.

I fully expect Davos to find Osha and Rickon and bring them back. How that happens is anyones guess, but I do see Rickon back in Winterfell eventually. Every Stark has played a major role thus far in the books, and I don't see why Rickon would be the lone exception.

[Aderyn]

Rickon is an interesting piece the to puzzle, his prescence could completely change the tide of the war in the North for both the Starks and Stannis.

I fully expect Davos to find Osha and Rickon and bring them back. How that happens is anyones guess, but I do see Rickon back in Winterfell eventually. Every Stark has played a major role thus far in the books, and I don't see why Rickon would be the lone exception.

I have a feeling that Rickon is the one to herald the new "time for wolves" in the north. His return will definitely have that effect.

We've also seen the set up of Ramsey's bitches being trained to fight wolves, so Shaggy vs the Girls should be an epic

Sounds like the most epic battle to ever take place in Westeros.

[Magnar of Skagos]

No one seems to consider that Rickon has actually been killed by the Skagosi, who are known to hate Starks.

[SevasTra82]

I have a feeling that Rickon is the one to herald the new "time for wolves" in the north. His return will definitely have that effect.

Sounds like the most epic battle to ever take place in Westeros.

I believe the name for the 3rd book in the original trilogy was "A Time for Wolves", but GRRM changed it because he felt it made the ending too obvious.

[Aderyn]

I believe the name for the 3rd book in the original trilogy was "A Time for Wolves", but GRRM changed it because he felt it made the ending too obvious.

Yeah it was, although I'm not sure if he still had that title in mind after discarding the idea of a trilogy / the original script. If yes then I believe it might still hold some clues as to how the story will be concluded. So fingers crossed. Although there's still that "bittersweet" part as well... :uhoh:

No one seems to consider that Rickon has actually been killed by the Skagosi, who are known to hate Starks.

I have no reason to believe that the Skagosi would wish Rickon harm. Them being savage brutes seems to be just the same type of BS propaganda that is being spread about the wildlings. A Stark or not, murdering a child is a terrible act and I believe the Skagosi would expect their gods to rain severe punishment on whoever commits such crime. Besides, if they ever found out Rickon had warging powers they would probably think that the boy is marked or protected by the Old Gods or something similar. And maybe the Skagosi don't even know that Rickon is a Stark? Maybe Osha told him to never tell anyone?

[Juan_Snow]

No one seems to consider that Rickon has actually been killed by the Skagosi, who are known to hate Starks.

Skaagos is pretty remote, and from what I can gather is pretty much left alone. I wouldn't be surprised if no one there knows who Rickon really is. For all they know he's just some kid with a giant wolf.

[Arataniello]

Any attempt by Skagosi to kill Rickon would probably end up with someone suffering a sudden and severe case of "wolf in guts", followed by "guts in wolf".

[Magnar of Skagos]

Fair points. I wish we had a little more info to go on about Skagos, but all we know of it is from accounts by long-dead people. It's possible that the Skagosi really are more civilized than the general opinion of them is, or perhaps they are like the Ironborn. All I know is that I'm dying to learn more about Skagos.

[Mel_Rose]

I can see Rickon returning to the story and becoming the Lord Stark in Winterfell - kinda like Aegon the Unlikely. He's the 3rd son who wouldn't normally have a chance to become heir in a peaceful time. Skagos sounds very intriguing, too.

I imagine Rickon'll be a pretty wild kid, when we catch up with him.

[ShadowCat Rivers]

Really, I do not see how "feral Rickon" could become such a popular notion. Rickon was never left alone to be raised by wolves or other wild animals like some sort of Mowgli or Tarzan. He is supposed to be with Osha (and it seems that so indeed he is), raised and taught by her. I also believe that actually, survival in the wild requires some serious levels of discipline and that Osha would be one to teach him that, a no-nonsense, stern but protective mother figure.

[Bironic]

Really, I do not see how "feral Rickon" could become such a popular notion. Rickon was never left alone to be raised by wolves or other wild animals like some sort of Mowgli or Tarzan. He is supposed to be with Osha (and it seems that so indeed he is), raised and taught by her. I also believe that actually, survival in the wild requires some serious levels of discipline and that Osha would be one to teach him that, a no-nonsense, stern but protective mother figure.

I laughed when I imagined Rickon swinging himself from tree to tree, while singing "the bare necessities".

[Ninerings]

Well Rickon seemed to me to always have a "feral" attitude, especially after his father died. Now he is in a "wild" land in Skagos (presumably) with his only parent figure during his young, formative years being Osha who is a wilding herself. Not to mention that she has some VERY different views on things than South of the Wall. Furthermore, his closest friend or connection left to his family is Shaggydog, the meanest of the Stark direwolves. These are his companions and he is only what, five now? That kid is going to be as feral as ever.

[Ramsays Fleyed Lips]

I'm not so sure Rickon is a wild creature. He was very young and very traumatized at the time he left home, like Arya with her crazy blood lust or Sansa with her childish ideas about royalty or Jon's ideas about honor and even Bran's sole dream to walk again--these kids have all grown from their original personalities. I can see Rickon as fierce, but not feral. He's a Stark, after all, and soon to be THE Stark in Winterfell. GRRM won't let us down with Rickon--the kid will be worthy of the title. I hope Rickon brings some of the fierceness of the Old Kings in the North back to the north and throw all the southerners out. The north could use some of that old honor in these days where stinking Roose Bolton is Warden of the North. C'mon. That said, what will Rickon do knowing that Bran is alive? As far as Osha is concerned, I can't wait to see her meet Lady Dustin and Tormund.

[Good Guy Garlan]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I just find it a bit weird that Manderly and Glover seem to know Rickon's whereabouts for a while now, and instead of doing something to retrieve him they were just sitting on their hands and waiting for a smuggler to come along.

C'mon, since when is Davos the only smuggler in Westeros? White Harbor is right next to the Three Sisters, the smugglers' den par excellence. As easy as sending Glover in secret to hire some old smuggler with a raft who would take him to Skaagos. And I don't buy that ALL of Manderly's captains are rivermen, as he said.

Something's fishy in White Harbor. I'm not saying Manderly send Davos on a wild goose chase, but either something's up or GRRM came up with a lazy excuse to get Davos to Skaagos.

And there's also the whole shaggy dog thing, that I'm not sure it's just a coincidence

[YouKnowNothingJonSnow]

Put me in the camp that thinks Davos is going to findh Osha/Rickon/Shaggy and bring them back. Rickon will be the Stark in Winterfell. And his presence, and the knowledge that he is alive, will have huge ripple effects.

1. Everyone will also know, or suspect, Bran is alive as well. Rickon/Osha can tell them.

2. Bolton's Arya plot blows up. Of course, he'hs got bigger problems at the moment.

3. Stannis will lose the grip on his army, at least to an extent. With a Stark to support still alive, the GNA will throw it's weight behind him. Of course, he has rallied the North after saving it at the Wall, and possibly freed Winterfell as well, so some gratitude will be there. Maybe some mending of the fences in the Stark/Baratheon relationship.

4. Theon will be exonerated for their murder. Though it might be posthumous at this rate.

5. Once word starts to spread that Rickon and Bran, it won't be long before word reaches the ears of Littlefinger/Sansa. That will put a crimp in his plans. No doubt he'll try to keep that info from her. It also could reach the ears of Lady Stoneheart, which could be interesting as well. Arya's reaction will also be interesting, though she'll likely be the last to know.

6. Rickon will likely to be very accepting of wildlings, given his closeness to Osha. Jon will likely have an ally in giving the Wildlings land south of the Wall, and making the North a much more productive and populous land. The dominant kingdom in Westeros (at least when it isn't Winter).

I can't wait. After the Bolton's bite it, and Stannis likely as well, and Sansa likely gaining control of the Vale/Winterlands somehow, things will be looking up. Littlefinger being the main fly in the ointment. If Sansa takes care of him, then the North, Vale, Riverlands, and possibly Baratheon if Stannis survives, if not Davos (as Hand) would rule for Shireen (who is very nice) once the whole females can't inherit thing gets blown away, either by Dany or Cersei (she has to do some good by accident eventually, yes?).

[joluoto2]

Somehow I think the Skagos chapters will be horror themed. GRRM likes to write horror, and Skagos seems like the perfect setting for that.

[Endymion I Targaryen]

It is time to see Skaagos,so I think it will be Davos who sees Osha.Maybe we can learn more of "the dead things in the water" Jon Snow heard of.