Myshkin Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Well not me, but you guys do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercenaryChef Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Well not me, but you guys do.NO. Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 NO. Not me.Well obviously I wasn't counting you as being amongst the pedestrian masses. You and I inhabit a plane far above those A-Rod loving assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 As a Mariners fan, I fucking hate A-Rod. The fact that he took the money and ran down to Texas has always bothered me. I might feel different had the M's been mired in one of their decades of depression, but this was a team that was built to win. On the other hand, I love A-Rod simply because he isn't just another drone who toes the party line in this sterile environment that is current day baseball. The game needs people who actually have personalities. I've always felt that is what really contributes to the "decline of baseball", the fact that we have a bunch of guys who just spout the same tired platitudes doesn't lend itself well to people becoming emotionally invested in baseball. Maybe it's just because the folks playing the game is different than in the past, a lot of early ball players were already kind of weirdos, or they have become larger than life figures due to their own fame and the myths that grow around folks like that. Baseball needs big personalities, baseball needs heroes, baseball needs villains, and from that perspective, I love A-Rod, because he decidedly a villain, and that is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Baseball needs big personalities, baseball needs heroes, baseball needs villains, and from that perspective, I love A-Rod, because he decidedly a villain, and that is great. I love A-Rod cause he'll just drop trou and take a leak on your kitchen floor if he feels like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Best title yet. 2009 will always have a place in my heart, I love you A-Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigima Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Tillman looked a hell of a lot better in his last outing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 12, 2015 Author Share Posted April 12, 2015 So apparently Arte Moreno is still looking to weasel out of the Josh Hamilton contract. He's claiming that there's a clause in the contract that "protects" the team in the event of a relapse on Hamilton's part. The MLBPA is denying that they would allow any such clause to exist, and further that if it did exist it would be unenforceable, as the JDA would override it. This whole mess is starting to get real ugly, and look really fucking bad for the Angels. Arte Moreno needs to shut his gob, suck it up, and live with the bad deal he gave Hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 George Springer robs a would be walk-off grand slam! What a catch.Agree Myshkin, Moreno is making a fool of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 So apparently Arte Moreno is still looking to weasel out of the Josh Hamilton contract. He's claiming that there's a clause in the contract that "protects" the team in the event of a relapse on Hamilton's part. The MLBPA is denying that they would allow any such clause to exist, and further that if it did exist it would be unenforceable, as the JDA would override it. This whole mess is starting to get real ugly, and look really fucking bad for the Angels. Arte Moreno needs to shut his gob, suck it up, and live with the bad deal he gave Hamilton. Eh, I don't know. Granted the Angels were stupid to offer a known addict a contract of that size and length, but what sort of job allows you drink and drug to the point where you can't perform your job? And you'll still get paid anyway. That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Eh, I don't know. Granted the Angels were stupid to offer a known addict a contract of that size and length, but what sort of job allows you drink and drug to the point where you can't perform your job? And you'll still get paid anyway. That's ridiculous.1) Hamilton's current unavailable status has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol; he's on the DL rehabbing from shoulder surgery. I also doubt that his struggles at the plate since joining the Angels have anything to do with his addiction problems, especially this last relapse, since it happened in the offseason. It's disingenuous to equate his poor recent performance with his relapse.2) To answer your question: all union jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 A-Rod! Yanks have finally decided to show up. As a union member, I agree with Myshkin again. Being on drugs or alcohol actually helps your case TBH, it's like a safety net. Anyways, Moreno just wants him off the books and will try anything and his actions are even making Hamilton's teammates question their own organization. It's not a good situation to put your team in as a owner and just stupid really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Oh look. ESPN put Red Sox/Yankees on Sunday Night Baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 1) Hamilton's current unavailable status has nothing to do with drugs or alcohol; he's on the DL rehabbing from shoulder surgery. I also doubt that his struggles at the plate since joining the Angels have anything to do with his addiction problems, especially this last relapse, since it happened in the offseason. It's disingenuous to equate his poor recent performance with his relapse.2) To answer your question: all union jobs. 1) That's probably fair, but I don't believe his relapse occurred during the offseason. I think this guy is a full blown addict, with no real incentive to quit. At this point given his history, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. 2) To an extent, sure. Once you get to your second and third strikes, even a strong union is going to step away from defending you if you can't perform your job to spec. Granted, the MLBPA just might be the strongest union you can be a member of. They are rather singular in backing their members misgivings. Often to a fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 1) That's probably fair, but I don't believe his relapse occurred during the offseason. I think this guy is a full blown addict, with no real incentive to quit. At this point given his history, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. 2) To an extent, sure. Once you get to your second and third strikes, even a strong union is going to step away from defending you if you can't perform your job to spec. Granted, the MLBPA just might be the strongest union you can be a member of. They are rather singular in backing their members misgivings. Often to a fault.The guy gets tested like twice a week during the season. And if he was drinking/using all the time there's absolutely no way he'd be able to keep that a secret from his teammates or management. Really there's nothing to suggest that he's using on a regular basis, or that drugs or alcohol are in any way responsible for his decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 The guy gets tested like twice a week during the season. And if he was drinking/using all the time there's absolutely no way he'd be able to keep that a secret from his teammates or management. Really there's nothing to suggest that he's using on a regular basis, or that drugs or alcohol are in any way responsible for his decline. They're not testing him for alcohol, are they? And I think you're being a bit naive if you think a practiced alcoholic can't hide his or her behaviors. I agree that there is no proof that drugs or alcohol are directly responsible for his decline, but even a world class athlete can't indulge to excess and not expect it to catch up to them eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 They're not testing him for alcohol, are they? And I think you're being a bit naive if you think a practiced alcoholic can't hide his or her behaviors.Sure, but from people who are actively looking for it? While on the road with the team for half the season? Nope, not buying it. Nor should I, since there's nothing to suggest it's true. I mean I guess it's possible that Trout shoots dope every night before bed, but I see no reason to assume it as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Sure, but from people who are actively looking for it? While on the road with the team for half the season? Nope, not buying it. Nor should I, since there's nothing to suggest it's true. I mean I guess it's possible that Trout shoots dope every night before bed, but I see no reason to assume it as fact. I would assume that in the frat boy sort of atmosphere of a baseball clubhouse that he would have teammates that would be likely to help him hide his behaviors, more so than to rat him out. You're right in that I don't know anymore than you do, but at this point he has lost the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 I would assume that in the frat boy sort of atmosphere of a baseball clubhouse that he would have teammates that would be likely to help him hide his behaviors, more so than to rat him out. You're right in that I don't know anymore than you do, but at this point he has lost the benefit of the doubt.I'll confess that I've never hung around a major league clubhouse, so I have no idea what the atmosphere in them is like, but I'll say that everyone in the Angels clubhouse would have to be a real asshole to watch Hamilton destroy himself and not only do nothing about it, but actively help him cover it up. What we have here are two competing theories:1) Hamilton's a recovering addict who fell off the wagon.2) Hamilton's been boozing and snorting coke for years, has somehow been passing his drug tests during all that time, has enlisted the aid of his teammates to cover it up, but despte the fact that he's been getting away with it forever he suddenly decided to self report his drug use to the commissioner.I don't have to give anyone the benefit of the doubt to know which one of those two theories is more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 1) Hamilton's a recovering addict who fell off the wagon. Yeah, that's it in a nutshell, but this isn't the first time. And if his employer seeks to fire him over it, I don't see that as being unreasonable or unjust at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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