Westeros Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 <p>Due to the server issues last week (which—knock on wood—are now more or less sorted out thanks to our amazing host) , we were quite delayed with our “<a href="http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes/Entry/The_Wars_to_Come">The Wars to Come</a>” coverage, but we’ve more or less corrected that for “<a href="http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes/Entry/The_House_Of_Black_and_White">The House of Black and White</a>”. The guide includes an exhaustive summary of the episode, our usual book-to-screen breakdown, and of course our review of the episode, plus a number of extras—namely HBO’s post-episode videos, including a nice look at the Water Gardens as represented by the Real Alcazár of Seville. </p><p>Our own video review will be along in a day or three, depending on our schedules. Until then, enjoy <a href="http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes/Entry/The_House_Of_Black_and_White">the episode guide</a>!</p>Visit the Site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think it was interesting that Ellaria says "How many of you brothers and sisters..." Was she speaking metaphorically about his subjects or about real brothers and sisters? By the by, Alexander Siddig is terrific as Doran Martel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 "Back when I interviewed them in 2012, Benioff and Weiss spoke of the show running 80 or 90 hours of story—8 or 9 seasons in total—and one could imagine that back then they thought it’d be possible to give the show more room to breath that way, if they weren’t able to do 12 episodes a season. Now the picture seems less optimistic, with the producers talking of the show running somewhere between 70 and 80 episodes. Realistically speaking, those familiar with how television works—such as James Hibberd of EW—speculate that the show will have a 7th season split in two, with a few additional episodes made. How many? A 20 episode 7th season is unlikely, but 14-16 episodes? Not impossible. But still a short fall, compared to how they once saw things." That is interesting, I did not know that. To me in 2012 things would have seemed less optimistic. Sure the show was a bit of a 'hit' but not a near-cult-runaway. As things have evolved the appearance is the show has taken over Dave and Dan's life. What Benioff had to say on the red carpet before season 4 seemed more a wish to get out of the meat grinder, and I think at that point he did not anticipate that things would explode even more. As noted, will just have to see what happens rating wise. Already broke a ratings record , and we have to see what HBO releases. Benioff has already cast some uncertainty about the 7 season thing lately and we know the odd fact that HBO itself speculated on more 'show'. An odd situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 "The show has clearly pulled away from Martin’s grander, geopolitical approach—the Sons of the Harpy are an issue, but more pressing for Daenerys in the novels are the powers outside of her city that want to bring her down—and built the secretive, rebellious movement into the primary danger because it exploits the deep divide in Daenerys’s new subjects and presents her with quandaries that simply have no good answer." I agree with this. We now have chapters from Winds of Winter that are detailing the 'Breaking of the Siege' of Meereen. Now while another big , this one even bigger, battle might not fit the visual narrative in season 6, there is something , seemingly , going on that seems crucial to the story at this point. That's the confluence of characters. GRRM seems to be bringing together a number of plot elements at the beginning of Winds and it seems we are going to get a totally different chronicle. Maybe that is ok, no spoilers for the page! For a while at leas ,however George is such a good story teller that its puzzling how the show runners are overriding his story, even with the demands that economizing for the visual narrative demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 What is this about Catelyn being a peace-loving hippie?"Give me Cersei Lannister, and I'll show just how gentle a woman can be.""Your first duty is to defend your own people, win back Winterfell, and hang Theon in a crow's cage to die slowly.""It is too late for ifs, and too late for rescues," Catelyn said. "All that remains is vengeance."Silly me, I guess someone else must've said those lines, not Catelyn, because she's 100% against vengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Who said she was a peace-loving hippy? The first quote is even in TFA I cite in this analysis! Catelyn and Ellaria both speak out against vengeance as the primary reason to go to war. Catelyn absolutely was willing to see Cersei Lannister punished... but not if it meant continuing a fruitless war that didn't serve to protect the family any further. When the goals of the Starks aligned with punishing those who had wronged them, she's willing to do that, of course; Robb has to fight the ironborn because he needs to take back the North, and a by product of that is that they'll have revenge too. But when your primary reason to fight is vengeance and you risk yourself and your family and your people to get that revenge, she rightfully casts doubts on it in Riverrun. Ellaria, too, presumably was willing to see Dorne fight in its own defense; I doubt she's a "peace-loving hippy". This doesn't change the fact that the pursuit of vengeance as an overriding goal is something both characters dismiss in the books, and which both characters are turned 180 degrees from in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Cat is against vengeance on such a large-scale, destructive level as war. But she's willing to take revenge on a personal level (i.e. target the person who wronged you, not 1000's of people who's crime happens to be being born in the Westerlands/serving the Lannisters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosts Lunch Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 "The show has clearly pulled away from Martin’s grander, geopolitical approach—the Sons of the Harpy are an issue, but more pressing for Daenerys in the novels are the powers outside of her city that want to bring her down—and built the secretive, rebellious movement into the primary danger because it exploits the deep divide in Daenerys’s new subjects and presents her with quandaries that simply have no good answer."I agree with this. We now have chapters from Winds of Winter that are detailing the 'Breaking of the Siege' of Meereen. Now while another big , this one even bigger, battle might not fit the visual narrative in season 6, there is something , seemingly , going on that seems crucial to the story at this point. That's the confluence of characters. GRRM seems to be bringing together a number of plot elements at the beginning of Winds and it seems we are going to get a totally different chronicle. Maybe that is ok, no spoilers for the page! For a while at leas ,however George is such a good story teller that its puzzling how the show runners are overriding his story, even with the demands that economizing for the visual narrative demand. Yeah I would say the show is fast-tracking things hence the Super streamlining of Vale and North for example, eg Battle of Mereen is probably being cut. Fair enough for budgetary reasons, I would prefer the battle of Winterfell any day of the week given it is in Westeros The Episode was deeply steeped in themes of Stark and Targaryens power (Dany execution dynamic a carbon copy of Robb/Rickard Karstark) so they are exploring things in its own way and moving away from religious themes (no more Quaithe or even Red CometsI reckon) and Geo-politics (Slavers Bay reduced) etc They would be shooting for 7.5 seasons, one thing is that the first five seasons actor wages were locked in, season 6 was a big jump but it may be very expensive for season 7, so it is a runaway success but it's also very expensive when wages + the climactic battles will require a lot of money + CGI given they will be Fantasy heavy so *+ seasons may simply be a bit too much This is starting to feel a lot more like an alternative universe as opposed to an adaption. Not entirely a bad thing I guess if bookreaders don't want some plotlines spoiled even though the broad strokes will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boojam Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 This is starting to feel a lot more like an alternative universe as opposed to an adaption. Not entirely a bad thing I guess if bookreaders don't want some plotlines spoiled even though the broad strokes will ASoIaF is in an alternative universe , so now we are getting an alternative alternative universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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