The Shadow of the Shadew Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Jaime gets a lot of crap for killing his own King but what would the other 6 do in that positionLets see Aerys' actions:Crazy dude lets in army with obvious intention of sackingDoes nothing to protect his son's familyTells Jaime to kill his dadTells pyromancer to burn the city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfish Tully Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Jaime gets a lot of crap for killing his own King but what would the other 6 do in that positionLets see Aerys' actions:Crazy dude lets in army with obvious intention of sackingDoes nothing to protect his son's familyTells Jaime to kill his dadTells pyromancer to burn the city Jaimie only gets crap because he does not tell anybody about the plot to blow up the city. From everybody else's perspective Jaimie only acts when his father is sacking the city. It looks like he turned on Aerys because he father ordered him to . Jaimie for some reason does not tell anybody about the wildfire plot so how can you blame them for thinking he murdered Aerys on his father's orders. Don't forget that Jaimie did nothing while his father's men were murdering Rhagar's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustaf Stark Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 In my opinion I think it's quite a delicate question, because he did right but at the same time he did wrong. I think what Jaime did was wrong, no matter what. His sole mission in life as a kingsguard is to protect the king, and he made a sacred oath to protect the king. Yes Aerys was a bad guy and so forth, but I don't think many kingsguards throughout history would have done what Jaime did. But I don't blame Jaime, he was young and let his emotions control him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Jaimie only gets crap because he does not tell anybody about the plot to blow up the city. i think he gets "crap" because he broke his number 1 oath, which is protect the King, not kill the King. it was not Jamie's job to deem what is right and what is wrong, his oath was to protect Areys. a member of the KG cannot kill the King, regardless of his reasons or hindsight... kind of the whole purpose of the oath he swore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georginette RR Martine Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I believe the other Kingsguards would not have killed Aerys, maybe most would have looked forward for a quick death defending the king without too much heart in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Clegane Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Jamie made many heartless decisions. Part of what makes his character interesting is that he is on a path of redemption. He is trying at least... He now acts w a moral conscious. We see him changing, developing, and it forces us to question if killing the mad king was really wrong? Of course it was, he was sworn to protect him, despite Aerys' madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Clegane Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I believe the other Kingsguards would not have killed Aerys, maybe most would have looked forward for a quick death defending the king without too much heart in it.I agree. Which is what makes the story so good. Interesting. GRRM throws certain tropes aside. He creates heroes in unlikely and despicable characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Personally I think that most of the Kingsguard would have killed Rossart, but just corner Aerys and wait and see what happened next. I think most of the Kingsguard would rationalize they need to protect the king from himself, and slay Rossart because of it. Jaime didn't really need to kill Aerys personally, just Rossart. So no, I don't think the other members of the Kingsguard would have killed him, but I think they would have done something to prevent the wildfire plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous22 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The rest of them would almost certainly of followed orders, such is the nature of the KG.Some of the comments on here; Sorry but, "F*ck the king." He needed to be taken down and Jaime had the nerve to do what needed to be done at the expense of his honor. What good are oaths when all they do is keep cruel men in power? Where is the honor in those vows when he must forsake the realm to appease one man? Jaime was a victim of circumstance from birth. Between his dad and the King and his sister there was very little free will of his own. Now, with two of his primary antagonists dead and the other in chains he stands some chance of becoming the man he wants to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 There was an interview with GRRM where he was asked why a perfect knight like Arthur Dayne did nothing to stop Aerys and he replied we'll find out more about that. Or something along those lines. The books may later on show that not all the kingsguard were fully prepared to stand by Aerys. As seen with oswell whent when he helped stage the tourney at harrenhal.And if it came down to it, all those kingsguards would kill Aerys in Jaime's position. Even the honourable Ser Barristan, as we've seen in his POV's when he seems to doubt himself over how he acted with the Mad King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 There was an interview with GRRM where he was asked why a perfect knight like Arthur Dayne did nothing to stop Aerys and he replied we'll find out more about that. Or something along those lines. The books may later on show that not all the kingsguard were fully prepared to stand by Aerys. As seen with oswell whent when he helped stage the tourney at harrenhal.And if it came down to it, all those kingsguards would kill Aerys in Jaime's position. Even the honourable Ser Barristan, as we've seen in his POV's when he seems to doubt himself over how he acted with the Mad King.I do think there was a plot among the Kingsguard (although all of them were not aware, like Barristan and Jaime) to usurp Rhaegar over Aerys. Once Rhaegar's dead though, it becomes a bit more fuzzy on what they would have done. If Rhaegar was still alive at the Sack of King's Landing, I'd say all of them would have certainly slain Rossart, and then fled to protect Rhaegar from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Obviously any of them would have stopped the city from being destroyed. Their duties are to protect to king. Explosions probably count as something to defend against. The other 6 would have probably knocked Aerys unconscious and kept a close watch on him. Jaimie only gets crap because he does not tell anybody about the plot to blow up the city. From everybody else's perspective Jaimie only acts when his father is sacking the city. It looks like he turned on Aerys because he father ordered him to . Jaimie for some reason does not tell anybody about the wildfire plot so how can you blame them for thinking he murdered Aerys on his father's orders. Don't forget that Jaimie did nothing while his father's men were murdering Rhagar's family. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse Sniffer Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'm not sure, I feel like it depends on the KingsGuard member who would be taking his place. Personally I would have just let Ned take the King hostage rather than murder him. Standing aside is like kind of breaking my oath but for the greater good. There's no malicious intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Now, with two of his primary antagonists dead and the other in chains he stands some chance of becoming the man he wants to be. "That boy had wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but someplace along the way became the Smiling Knight instead" sooooooo, is that a good thing???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tharvot Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 The other kingsguard would have died with their King it seems...even Selmy talks of how shamed he is that he did nothing to stop Aerys, but at the same time we all know his honor and oath would have precluded him from acting any differently. The Kingsguard of old all seem to be made of similar stuff with the exception, of course, of Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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