the storm king returns Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 You are king of Westeros congratulations, and you are one cocky son of a B and you here word that the new king beyond the wall has been talking smack that 300 of his men could best 1000 of your best knights. So you say hey F you I'm the greatest and you bring 3000 knights with you hey they might try some sneaky shit there wildlings, when you arrive you find a medium sized camp of wildlings and the king is standing bent over showing you a very unruly site, you order a full assault on horse even though every one of your commanders says it's a trap, your the king you give the orders F that. So you charge and 300 giants emerge from tents the king beyond the wall true to his word.All giants are armed with wooden spears and crappy shieldsWHO WINS ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Frasier of House Crane Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I get my best archer to take out the king beyond the wall while he's mooning me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Giants, if they stay together and support one another. Knights, if they're able to isolate the giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crionic Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Giants, of course. Altough the exponential capability of a complete cavalry of knights can be quite devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If it's like a suprise without any Intel the giants would probably squash them like grapes until the rest retreated.If the knights have some Intel about giants over there, I think a decent human commander could plan a strategy to take them out.I don't know if this is true but I get the idea from the novels that the average intellect of a giant is no match for the average human (why wouldn't giants be running Westeros if they were?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gallows Knight Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Depends really, in the way OP described it it is a straight up charge of 3000 mounted armored knights against 300 giants. The average giant is around maybe 12 feet tall and the average man on a warhorse around nine or so-ish feet tall. The giants might have a slight reach advantage depending on how long our lances are too. That said if the giants move in formation we are going to have a hard time of it, if they don't are spread out and acting on their own my knights could face down and isolate a giant with ten men and horses each ridding at full charge with full force behind their lances. The more giants killed in the initial charge the more men are freed up to aid the others in ridding down and cutting down the other giants. I would give the edge to my knights either way, but if the giants stay in a tight formation and work together it will be a damn bloody affair for my men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Sauce Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Unless every knight is Godfry Farring the Giant Slayer...........................giants hands down. Even when arrows hit them........there has been a few scenes where a Giant would get nailed by tons of arrows and keep going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Sauce Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Depends really, in the way OP described it it is a straight up charge of 3000 mounted armored knights against 300 giants. The average giant is around maybe 12 feet tall and the average man on a warhorse around nine or so-ish feet tall. The giants might have a slight reach advantage depending on how long our lances are too. That said if the giants move in formation we are going to have a hard time of it, if they don't are spread out and acting on their own my knights could face down and isolate a giant with ten men and horses each ridding at full charge with full force behind their lances. The more giants killed in the initial charge the more men are freed up to aid the others in ridding down and cutting down the other giants. I would give the edge to my knights either way, but if the giants stay in a tight formation and work together it will be a damn bloody affair for my men. It would have to be a Dorthraki strategy. Ride up to do some damage (horseback) then fly back and let the next wave come in, so just chipping away at them and using soeed to create space. That said think the giants would still win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Well you did not give us enough info. In the books the giants ride mammoths. If this is the case the giants win hands down as the horses would freak. if not, a spear to the head/ chest will still do a lot of damage to a giant and that shit would be a blood bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihlus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Ser Godry Farring solos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay's Penguins Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Uhh, knights. Giants in ASOIAF are not that huge. A knight with a sharp sword would soon get rid of a giants fingers, and without those giants are deprived of their main weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Knights. Not as braindead as Dothraki to charge repeatedly into disaster. If first shock at the center fails, aiming for the flanks and repeated attacks won't. There were close to 300 giants at the Battle of Castle Black, plus mammoths and tens of thousands of support infantry and hundreds of cavalry. less than a thousand mounted fighters working with thier brains, from knights on barded horses and wearing full plate to mounted bowmen in simple jacks, took them down all the same in the end. And that was when the giants were riding a mammoth with a dozen bowmen on top of it's wooden tower. On foot, with spears, they lack anything to attack the knights at range and would only be even easier to defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerBert Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Didn't Donal Noye and a couple men defeat the king of giants? I would guess a good cavalry charge would give the knights the advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Didn't Donal Noye and a couple men defeat the king of giants? I would guess a good cavalry charge would give the knights the advantage. Donal Noye and IIRC 4 others. 2 crossbowmen shot off a dozen bolts into it first as it was crawling at them, then the spearmen stabbed him, then Noye was the last, stabbed him in the neck. Stupid all in all, considering that they call it out that they have perfectly good murder holes to avoid the need to stand in a small group at the entrance... Always seemd like an underwhelming and needless death to me rather than heroic... Either way the giant was far larger than average, and a knight's lance has far more punch and reach than a boy's arm shoving a spear through the bars of a gate. Not to mention that insteat of using said murder holes, they were attacking him from the front, where he is likely wearing armour and is expecting. Godry shoved his lance at a giant's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2908 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 That's like asking whether 3000 armed and trained humans would win against 300 somewhat large gorillas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNinjaDC Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 If the giants had any sort of true armor, even layered leather armor, I'd say the giants. However, the giants use little to none, and are armed poorly, so I'd give it to the knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Considering Mance Rayder had a couple hundred giants (and 30,000 men) when he was curbstomped by a couple dozen knights (and about 1,000 non-knights), that question is already answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 3000 lances against 300 targets you can't miss. I'm gonna bet on the shiny men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Knights. Not as braindead as Dothraki to charge repeatedly into disaster. If first shock at the center fails, aiming for the flanks and repeated attacks won't. There were close to 300 giants at the Battle of Castle Black, plus mammoths and tens of thousands of support infantry and hundreds of cavalry. less than a thousand mounted fighters working with thier brains, from knights on barded horses and wearing full plate to mounted bowmen in simple jacks, took them down all the same in the end. And that was when the giants were riding a mammoth with a dozen bowmen on top of it's wooden tower. On foot, with spears, they lack anything to attack the knights at range and would only be even easier to defeat. The trouble is, it doesn't seem like horses will charge a giant. In fact, the giants (granted, on mammoths) shattered the center column of charging knights, and then held their own in the ensuing melee. The giants were climbing onto their mammoths, though, and the knights on their barded horses did not like that at all; he could see how the coursers and destriers screamed and scattered at the sight of those lumbering mountains. . . . The mammoths had shattered the center column, . . . Only the giants on their mammoths were holding, hairy islands in a red steel sea. . . . Its done, Jon thought, they're breaking. Jon X, Storm of Swords My read is that the giants were doing just fine (again, many were on mammoth-back, an advantage the OP denies them) against the knights. They fled because everybody around them fled. They could fight on and accomplish nothing, or flee. Either way the siege was lifted and Stannis' pincer had routed the wilding army. I should note that it seems like horses are fine with fleeing giants, allowing Godry to earn his nickname: Jon had seen this one about the castle—a knight of great renown, to hear him tell it. During the battle beneath the Wall, Ser Godry Farring had slain a fleeing giant, pounding after him on horseback and driving a lance through his back, then dismounting to hack off the creature's pitiful small head. The queen's men had taken to calling him Godry the Giantslayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The knights win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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