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so who in meereen was actually betraying dany ?


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just wondering because i have seen numerous posts arguing that this person or that person in meereen are obviously treacherous and will definitely betray dany/barristan, if they haven't been working against her already (for example the identity of harpy, poisoned locusts)



these characters generally include the likes of green grace, skahaz, reznak, hizdahr.. even some more outlandish theories including daario and missandei



so who the hell was it ? TIA

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I saw a pretty good post on asoiafuniversity outlining all of the Shavepate's machinations: what he stands to gain from poisoning Dany/Hizdair, how he is manipulating Barristan (this seems obvious anyway, even if everything else on him proves false), and how he is going to have himself a very red coup d'etat w/ the nobility of Mereene duing the ensuing Battle of Fire. This post put him on a tier, or right below, Littlefinger.


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search function isn't working for me, which is why i started the thread

so where is all this overwhelming evidence that the green grace is the harpy ? TIA

The harpy is actually a women. Talking about the statue.

Daenerys children hostages were meant to be used as a way to stop the harpy but it didn't work. This is cause the killings did stop but daenerys told the GG she wouldn't kill them, killings resume. This is because she needed to know dany wouldn't kill them, because two of her kin were cupbearers.

She jumps from helping dany to helping the nobility. She also doesn't seem to support daenerys's cause

She seems to have knowledge of whose been killed before been told herself.

By giving her counsel she's allowed to hear what daenerys plans and can therefore exploit her weakness.

And the marriage to hizdhar was arranged by her, and the agreement was to stop the killings. She arranged it then stopped the killings.

This was all I could find on short term notice but there is a bit more to it.

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It is not betrayal if you mutter "mayhaps" under your breath after pledging loyalty. Presumably, that is what everybody in Mereen is doing.



Think of how much trouble Dany could have avoided if she had hung out with a few Freys when she was younger.


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I think that the Green Grace is the Harpy, and Skahaz is with her, and they plan that Skahaz makes Dany fall, when Dany is ended then they won't reveal the identity of the Harpy and Skahaz will take over Meereen. But it's only a plan, they all will be dragonflamed.


Also I can imagine that Hizdahr is against Dany too.


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A betrayal for his love for... Ashara Dayne. Crackpot, I know, but it would be cool.

Betrayal for love will happen when rhaegal either leaves daenerys to be aegon's mount or when rhaegal leaves aegon to return to dany cause he's still a mama's boy. Cause the undying said it will be three treasons she will know, not treasons people will commit against her.

Answering OP shavepate poisoned the locusts but green grace is the harpy. Their her two main betrayers

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just wondering because i have seen numerous posts arguing that this person or that person in meereen are obviously treacherous and will definitely betray dany/barristan, if they haven't been working against her already (for example the identity of harpy, poisoned locusts)

these characters generally include the likes of green grace, skahaz, reznak, hizdahr.. even some more outlandish theories including daario and missandei

so who the hell was it ? TIA

I think it's Daario. I don't buy the Euron=Daario theory, but I wouldn't be surprised if Daario is an agent of Euron (and if not him, then someone else) undermining Dany in Mereen to make her more vulnerable to a strong suitor. He's betraying her for gold.

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