The Long Night Revealed: unCivil War for The Dawn. Part 1

[Daendrew]

The Long Night Revealed: unCivil War for The Dawn. Part 1

EndGame of Thrones Part 22

In this post we will discuss some of the major military adversaries The Starks in Winterfell faced during the Long Night. They included:

1) The Greystarks (read: unStarks) of Wolfs Den, the seat of White Harbor (read: Wight Harbor). They were “allied” with House Bolton

2) Royce “II” Bolton, Red King of The Dreadfort. Probably backed by The Others

3) The 13th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch, a “Stark” backed by The Others

Stark Kings

The Starks in Winterfell during this time were probably named King Edrick Snowbeard and King Brandon "Ice Eyes". Brandon “Ice Eyes” was great-grandson to Edrick. If Edrick was King and then his great-grandson Edrick inherited, that means there are a whole lot more Starks killed than have been killed in the present series thus far.

The Greystarks

Below is a history of The Wolfs Den:

the

Greystarks had lasted the longest, holding the Wolf's Den for five centuries,

until they presumed to join the

Dreadfort

in rebellion against the Starks of Winterfell.

The Stark that brought the Greystarks down has a interesting name and story:

"

Then a long cruel winter fell,"

said Ser Bartimus.

"The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up. The winds came howling from the north and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires,

That long and cruel winter is The Long Night.

and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them. **Brandon Stark

this was,

Edrick Snowbeard's great-grandson,

him that men called

Ice Eyes.

He took the Wolf's Den back, stripped the

slavers

naked, and gave them to the

slaves

he'd found chained up in the dungeons. It's said they

hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering to the gods.

The old gods, not these new ones from the south. Your Seven don't know winter, and winter don't know them."

Brandon "Ice Eyes" reminds me great deal of another Brandon, The Ice Brandon.

So the Greystarks rose up after five centuries and Brandon Stark was their King making him the 12th King in The North. Since Brandon The Builder built The Wall, he was conceivably the first Lord Commander briefly until he founded House Stark’s Kingdom. That lines up with the timing of the 13th Lord Commander. This Bolton-Greystark uprising to happen at the same time and happened in the period of and leading to The Long Night.

Notice that the Stark in Winterfell stripped the "slavers." The Greystarks in The Wolfs Den were like the Greyjoys, worshiping the Great Other and enslaving men like the others did. Like The Others/Nights King did. And as you will see further down when we speak about the Boltons, the “slaving” and Wighting may be associated with the Boltons more than the “Greystarks.”

Also the current spelling of White Harbor is a PR ploy by real estate agents that covers up its true name, Wight Harbor. “Dead things in the water.”

The Greystarks are unStarks. It is directly connected to the magical power of the Boltons: skinflaynging. or a mission of the House of Black and White.

Greystarks = Skinflaynged Bolton and/or The Faceless Men

House Bolton as the great other some Bolton lords wore the flayed skins of their enemies—including Starks, such as the son of Bael—as cloaks.

Roose now has Robbs body and has flayed him. Baels son was like Robb, grew up as heir to the North.

The

enmity between the Starks and Boltons

went back to the

Long Night

itself, it is claimed.

Lord Roose never says a word, he only looks at me, and

all I can think of is that room they have in the Dreadfort, where the Boltons hang the skins of their enemies.

""That's just one of Old Nan's stories," Bran said. A note of doubt crept into his voice.

"Isn't it?

" -Robb Stark

Roose was described in the following way:

"Roose Bolton's

own face

was a pale grey

mask.

"

It is interesting GRRM used “own face” as that phrase implies “others” faces.

Masks are ones you can take off and put on. Now that GRRM has hinted at the possibility of Robbs skin hanging in the Dreadfort, Can he put Robb Starks mask on like Arya puts a skin on, Faceless Man style? Three silver stags says yes he can.

Boltons pride themselves on having worn flayed Stark skins as cloaks. That sounds very similar to what we see Arya exposed to with the Faceless Men. Using the flayed skins to "skinchange" their appearance.

Roose can become a "Stark" Nights King or King of Winter or King in The North etc. through blood magic and the remains of Robb Stark. Roose was the one to personally stab Robb and would have surely saved his blood and have flayed him. And since we have not seen Robbs body beyond the Twins, it's safe to assume Roose flayed him even if he gave his remains to the crown. All he needs is Robbs flayed skin, on his face just like that is all Arya needs to become the other girls.

By skinflanging into a Stark, Roose will then be able to wield the Stark Ancestral Othersword Ice after absorbing the qualities of Starks Otherblood. This would set him up to be the anti-hero sword to Azor Ahannister who wields fiery Lightbringer.

So the Greystarks were not allied with House Bolton, House Bolton I believe were the Greystarks.

According to George R. R. Martin, their words are "Our blades are sharp," while a common saying among the Boltons is "A flayed man holds no secrets."

The secrets Boltons wanted to know are the secrets of Winter. The secrets to harnessing Ancestral Ice. The secret to Skinchanging into Winter, the Stark ice dragon.

But Roose no longer needs to flay a stark to get his secrets. Only their magic kingsblood and the skin of a King. Because Baels son child told him the secrets. Roose remembers these secrets because he was there. “Roose” is the original Rat Cook who was born Royce Redfort I. His son was King Royce Bolton II the first Red King. Roose-Royce took over his sons body to assume that title and power and uses a glamour he continuously needs to make blood sacrifice to maintain. The clue that he was a Redfort is in Roose Fostering Domeric with the Redfort and his kingly title was Red King. The first Red King name GRRM gives us is Royce II. No Royce I was mentioned. It was King Royce II that burned Winterfell in the Long Night. Just as Ramsay, “the second” Roose did again in this series.

To be continued… In the mean time read my posts linked below.

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[Ser Taeser Celtigar]

Interesting...

I am not sure I am convinced, but I like it.

I think the King Other of the tv show is a Stark and not sure whether I would like him to be a Stark or a Bolton. We haven't really seen the Others in numbers in the books yet (we really need The Winds of Winter out now), so we don't really know if 'The Night's King' is really the Big Bad or just a deviation of the show.

So, if Roose is allied to the Others, does that make him the Night's King who will fight the new King of Winter (I guess that has to be Jon Snow regardless of his true parentage)?

[Daendrew]

I can give you a taser teaser for the next part Ser Taesar.

In this part as well as this part I have been uncovering that the histories of the past, about The Starks, about the Nights Queen are not true. They are literary misdirections.

The same can be said about the things said about the Nights King. I will let you ponder that for a bit.

I am not saying he is a good guy. I am talking about thing attributed to him specifically.

[Daendrew]

The Boltons flayed, and I argue skinflaynged Baels son, the Stark heir. It put another point of common cause between the Starks and the Freefolk.

[Ser Taeser Celtigar]

I think the Lace Serpent's fate could be foretelling Melisandre's fate, probably by Stannis when he finds out Mel sacrificed Shireen.

Like Lady Sarella, Melisandre is a foreign woman worshipping a foreign god.

[Piccolo_Snow]

I have read your so called theories, and while i find them amusing, almost all of them seem like someones fever dream, I mean take this part

Also the current spelling of White Harbor is a PR ploy by real estate agents that covers up its true name, Wight Harbor. “Dead things in the water.” really real estate agents?

amd all this otherblood, and othersword, stuff, it just seems your taking things and putting an undead other twist on everything. when theres really no basis of fact there.

[Dragon Seed]

"Now that GRRM has hinted at the possibility of Robbs skin hanging in the Dreadfort"

"Roose now has Robbs body and has flayed him." :lmao:

PROVE THIS!!!!!

Your theories are ridiculous.

[Dragon Seed]

I have read your so called theories, and while i find them amusing, almost all of them seem like someones fever dream, I mean take this part

Also the current spelling of White Harbor is a PR ploy by real estate agents that covers up its true name, Wight Harbor. “Dead things in the water.” really real estate agents?

amd all this otherblood, and othersword, stuff, it just seems your taking things and putting an undead other twist on everything. when theres really no basis of fact there.

His theories are all based on ........ "what ifs, maybes, possibly, I think, etc. and a lot of crap that happens in the HBO show.

It's just speculation and crackpot clogging up the forum. He even makes up his own names for people.

[The Lash]

Crackpot is putting it nicely.....I think this stuff gets written after hitting the crackpipe.

[A Bastard Snow]

What..I can't follow this logic.The quotes don't support your theory at all.

Also this happened within the Last Thousand years as before that the Wolf Den didn't exist....Soooo no.

Brandon Ice Eyes was named for being a badass

[Daendrew]

What..I can't follow this logic.The quotes don't support your theory at all.

Also this happened within the Last Thousand years as before that the Wolf Den didn't exist....Soooo no.

Brandon Ice Eyes was named for being a badass

It didn't happen so many thousands of years ago.

It happened during the 13th LC and starting with the 12th King of Winter IMHO. They don't have that many dead kings in the crypt to be 10 thousand years.

Also there were probably multiple Long Nights.

[A Bastard Snow]

It didn't happen so many thousands of years ago.

It happened during the 13th LC and starting with the 12th King of Winter IMHO. They don't have that many dead kings in the crypt to be 10 thousand years.

Also there were probably multiple Long Nights.

.....Brandon Ice Eyes was not alive then....so unless timetravel.....no

[Daendrew]

.....Brandon Ice Eyes was not alive then....so unless timetravel.....no

Known Kings in the North

No precise lineage of Kings in the North is known, but the individuals listed below are supposed to be in rough chronological order.

1. Bran the Builder, founder of house Stark and the first King in the North, builder of Winterfell, Storm's End castles and the Wall.

2. King Brandon the Breaker, allied with Joramun to defeat the Night's King.

King Theon the Hungry Wolf.

King Brandon the Shipwright, loved sailing and built up a mighty northern fleet.

King Brandon the Burner, son of Brandon the Shipwright, burned the entire northern fleet after the disappearance of his father on the Sunset Sea.

King Jonnel Stark.

King Dorren Stark.

King Jon Stark, built the Wolf's Den after driving away sea raiders.

King Rickard Stark, son of Jon, defeated the Marsh King, extending their kingdom to include the Neck.

King Rodrik Stark, son of Rickard, won Bear Island from the ironborn in a wrestling match and awarded it to House Mormont.

King Edrick Snowbeard.

King Brandon "Ice Eyes", great-grandson of Edrick.

King Benjen the Bitter.

King Benjen the Sweet.

King Eyron Stark.

King Edderion the Bridegroom.

King Walton the Moonking.

King Brandon the Bad.

King Jorah Stark.

King Jonos Stark.

King Edwyn the Spring King.

King Harlon Stark.^[20]

King Brandon IX Stark, who destroyed the ships of the Skagosi.

Torrhen the King Who Knelt, who bent the knee to Aegon the Conqueror, making the North part of the Seven Kingdoms subject to the Iron Throne.

Robb the Young Wolf, the last King in the North and the first after Aegon's Conquest, who never lost a battle and died at the events of the Red Wedding. He was also King of the Trident.

It went from #11 to #12, Edrick Snowbeard.to his great grandson Brandon Ice Eyes. If you had to go from great grandfather, to great grandson in succession, that is a whooooooole lot of dead starks in between. This hints at the Long Night happening then.

The only reason the Stark Kings and the LC nubers don't qual one another is because the 1st King of Winter was also LC of NW, Brandon The Builder. So Kings of Winter are one digit less than LC of NW. Assuming we have the names. Which we probably roughly do, aside from the dead ones in between Edrick and Brandon.

So the 13th LC is roughly the 12th King of Winter.

[Isobel Harper]

While the Long Night is thought to have reoccurred several times in history, the last Long Night was about 8,000 years ago. The length of time that's passed since the last Long Night is part of the problem. If it occurred more recently in time, people would remember it more and take it more seriously.

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Also the current spelling of White Harbor is a PR ploy by real estate agents that covers up its true name, Wight Harbor. “Dead things in the water.”

Hehe, White Walker Harbor. If this is the location where the white walkers (somehow) begin their invasion, that's an interesting bit of foreshadowing you've found.

[Daendrew]

While the Long Night is thought to have reoccurred several times in history, the last Long Night was about 8,000 years ago. The length of time that's passed since the last Long Night is part of the problem. If it occurred more recently in time, people would remember it more and take it more seriously.

Hehe, White Walker Harbor. If this is the location where the white walkers (somehow) begin their invasion, that's an interesting bit of foreshadowing you've found.

Not just Harrenhal is cursed but Wolfs Den too. So many Houses. So many dead bodies. In both. That's like post 22 or so lined up lol.

It was an apocalypses. Writing and everything washed away. They had to relearn from scratch maybe a thousand ish give or take a few hundred or thousand hahah years ago. Not 10,000+. All those numbers are fuzzy and not to be trusted.

Wight Harbor may be were Deep Ones landed. That a whole big thing I have ideas on too that's coming up this month I hope. Written maybe 1/4 of it.