Mladen Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 So, here we are back again... Last week, we had one bridge to cross, this week there was another. Just as the rape scene was important, what comes next was emphasized as crucial for Sansa's arc. The bruises, the deconstruction of Reek, hope and lastly despair. In short, Sansa is basically on her own now. How this will play out to the end of the season is yet to be seen, but it is not too far-fetched to guess. The usual things apply. Play nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Damian Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Well, there are a few facts1- We know that Ramsay is raping her EVERY night and she is at great risk of becomming pregnant with the baby of a monster.2- She absolutely regrets trusting Littlefinger and marrying Ramsay Bolton.3- She is desperate to get the hell out of there.4- She is starting to reach Theon.5- She is trying to turn Ramsay against his step mother and therefore his father.6- Ramsay knew about the candle in the tower all along - was the old man Brienne a Bolton man?7- Sansa now has a concealed knife with her.8- Brienne and Pod are in danger if a candle is lit in the abandoned tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Above Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Here's how I think it'll play out - Sansa escapes with the aid of Theon and Brienne (who gets captured in process in the place of Mance). Pod dead?- Likely pregnant- Headed towards Castle Black- Theon.. dead, captured, or headed to Castle Black with Sansa So.. more or less Jeyne's role in the books, at least until she meets up with some other major character/location. Jon/Castle Black in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksniffer Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 yes i see how most of these things are true...was reek in the old tower... i don't know...or did he go straight to ramsay.... yes she is banged up...yes she must now believe Littlefinger knew or at least suspected ...does sansa have the strength to fight back...or will she be the sister on the dying horse... i wonder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alayne's Shadow. Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't think there's pregnancy on the way, as I'm thinking she'll have to meet up at some part with her book!storyline. Sansa still has friends in the North. Can these friends crown her? Her storyline seems headed for her killing someone (If she doesn't kill Ramsay, she's going to at least hurt him to escape.) There's also something about Sansa being in Winterfell, so I believe she's going to Winterfell back again. Jon's death might stop her from going there, so she'll find her friends on her own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candor Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Granted I watched this episode under the impairment that is vertigo sickness, but re: the candle in the tower, was Ramsey at the top of that tower or did it just cut to Theon finding him wherever else he was and letting him in on the plot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newstar Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't think there's pregnancy on the way, as I'm thinking she'll have to meet up at some part with her book!storyline. You're assuming Sansa doesn't get knocked up in the books, and I'm not the only poster who thinks that a Book Sansa pregnancy is likely (although I don't think it will be the product of rape as in the show). The detail that TV Sansa is getting raped every night makes me think it's more likely that a pregnancy is in the offing in the show. If she's impregnated by Harry (or someone else) in the books, that might explain why the writers forged ahead with such determination to Ramsay/Sansa rape in the show when the Harry betrothal was scrapped, since Sansa needed to get knocked up, and short of introducing a totally new character for a one-night stand or a love interest, Ramsay was the most likely candidate. Doesn't excuse the rape, but it explains why they twisted themselves into knots writing a scenario where Sansa would have some form of sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 2- She absolutely regrets trusting Littlefinger and marrying Ramsay Bolton. She obviously regrets marrying Ramsay. She hasn't said anything about Baelish (I know a lot of people are hopeful that this is what will turn here against him, but I've never see that that makes much sense; particularly given that, per the writers, Baelish didn't know about this, so it's especially weak if what turns her against him is something that has nothing to do with his actual crimes against her and her family). Speaking of Baelish: Ramsay's rape/torture of fArya doesn't really make a ton of sense in the books, admittedly (particularly why Roose just allows this to continue), but in the show, aren't the Boltons counting on Baelish coming back and being a valuable ally now that they've declared tacit rebellion against the throne? Why the hell is Roose allowing this? But then, Roose's motivations have been a complete mystery since this story started, and I'm pretty sure it's not an actual mystery within the show so much as the writers hoping we don't wonder about it. Sansa isn't "full Jeyne", but I never expected that. Her scene with Theon was good. I've spoken about this in the past, but this show really has a bizarre notion of what being a player is. We see Sansa trying to make use of the information about pregnancy, but she's basically just jabbing him with it (in a way she really shouldn't be able to get away with), rather than trying to win him over and actually pull his strings. And this is not just some Sansa-specific thing; that's how basically all the "players" on this show act, swanning around and acting as obvious as possible. Since this is such a rerun of Sansa's KL story, her behaviour there actually made sense in the presence of a psycho -- but for some reason, Ramsay isn't having her beaten whenever she insults him right to his face, unlike Joff. Sophie was great, as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xarkar Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 6- Ramsay knew about the candle in the tower all along - was the old man Brienne a Bolton man? Are we sure he knew? Or did Theon simply take the candle to Ramsay? If Ramsay was hanging out at the top of the abandoned tower, why wouldn't Theon be punished for trying to light the candle? I'd say Theon took the candle to Ramsay's (tower???) and told him and TV simply added drama to make it look like he went to the abandoned tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehearted Snake Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 You're assuming Sansa doesn't get knocked up in the books, and I'm not the only poster who thinks that a Book Sansa pregnancy is likely (although I don't think it will be the product of rape as in the show). The detail that TV Sansa is getting raped every night makes me think it's more likely that a pregnancy is in the offing in the show. If she's impregnated by Harry (or someone else) in the books, that might explain why the writers forged ahead with such determination to Ramsay/Sansa rape in the show when the Harry betrothal was scrapped, since Sansa needed to get knocked up, and short of introducing a totally new character for a one-night stand or a love interest, Ramsay was the most likely candidate. Doesn't excuse the rape, but it explains why they twisted themselves into knots writing a scenario where Sansa would have some form of sex.Huh. Plausible for sure. It definitely doesn't mean it had to be rape, but that does explain why it happened at all. What do you think will happen in the books? Pregnant by Harry? After being wed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Someone said that theon took the candle to ramsey. don't why he did that. Im guessing she might be pregnant too. I hope she kills ramsay but i have a feeling he won't die this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nationalanthem91 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I figured Theon wouldn't and couldn't be redeemed this episode. In some of the interviews Alfie has done lately, he said something along the lines of "Behind Ramsay, Theon is a villain too". He honestly pissed me off this episode. I was about to give him props for trying to light the candle for Sansa, but when Ramsay told her that Theon rated her out, that angered me. I'm really not sure how much "Theon" we will be getting back this season. Obviously, it will happen eventually, but with 3 episodes left, I'm just not sure it's realistic for him to make a complete 180. That being said, I think we finally saw the first glimpse of Sansa attempting to manipulate Ramsay this episode. It's clear that she's obviously trying to get under his skin. I wonder how well that'll play in the episodes to come. I think that out of the two, Sansa is more stronger than Theon is. Which, of course,is interesting. Next week's promo looks pretty interesting. She's clearly deeply angered and probably hurt by the fact that Theon ratted her out. What she said to him is pretty harsh, but I think it shows that she's not going to take his betrayal lightly. It appears that, at least for a little bit, Sansa will be dealing with the Boltons on her own. Side note- Did anyone notice the bruises she had on her body? How awful. So much for Ramsay's "I'll never hurt her" BS. Another side note- Did anyone notice the whole 2 seconds we got of Brienne this episode? That was a bit underwhelming. I'm not sure where her or Pod will go from here, seeing as how the whole "candle plot" is ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I'm not sure where her or Pod will go from here, seeing as how the whole "candle plot" is ruined. It's not, though. Whenever Theon has his change of heart, he can go and light it himself. Now, granted, what the Boltons should be doing is lighting the candle themselves and setting a tight guard to see what happens, but there's no sign that that's what they're planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nationalanthem91 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I figured Theon wouldn't and couldn't be redeemed this episode. In some of the interviews Alfie has done lately, he said something along the lines of "Behind Ramsay, Theon is a villain too". He honestly pissed me off this episode. I was about to give him props for trying to light the candle for Sansa, but when Ramsay told her that Theon rated her out, that angered me. I'm really not sure how much "Theon" we will be getting back this season. Obviously, it will happen eventually, but with 3 episodes left, I'm just not sure it's realistic for him to make a complete 180. That being said, I think we finally saw the first glimpse of Sansa attempting to manipulate Ramsay this episode. It's clear that she's obviously trying to get under his skin. I wonder how well that'll play in the episodes to come. I think that out of the two, Sansa is more stronger than Theon is. Which, of course,is interesting. Next week's promo looks pretty interesting. She's clearly deeply angered and probably hurt by the fact that Theon ratted her out. What she said to him is pretty harsh, but I think it shows that she's not going to take his betrayal lightly. It appears that, at least for a little bit, Sansa will be dealing with the Boltons on her own. Did anyone notice the whole 2 seconds we got of Brienne this episode? That was a bit underwhelming. I'm not sure where her or Pod will go from here, seeing as how the whole "candle plot" is ruined.That being said, I'm just really loving how well acted the Winterfell scenes are. Sophie, Alfie, and Iwan are just brilliant. The 3 of them have great chemistry and work well together.Side note- Did anyone notice the bruises she had on her body? How awful. So much for Ramsay's "I'll never hurt her" BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's not, though. Whenever Theon has his change of heart, he can go and light it himself. Now, granted, what the Boltons should be doing is lighting the candle themselves and setting a tight guard to see what happens, but there's no sign that that's what they're planning. I have a feeling he will light it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Side note- Did anyone notice the bruises she had on her body? Incidentally, between that and the fact that she's locked in her room all day, I would hope that anybody who was confused as to whether the end of last episode involved rape or not will have that clarified for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Tollett's One Vote Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Granted I watched this episode under the impairment that is vertigo sickness, but re: the candle in the tower, was Ramsey at the top of that tower or did it just cut to Theon finding him wherever else he was and letting him in on the plot? I thought it just made it look like Theon had gone to the tower, but then revealed that he actually hadn't? I might've gotten that wrong, but that's how I took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nationalanthem91 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Double post sorry guys. Tried to edit my first one but it whacked out on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehearted Snake Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Incidentally, between that and the fact that she's locked in her room all day, I would hope that anybody who was confused as to whether the end of last episode involved rape or not will have that clarified for them. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starklover Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 how were theon know about the old women? is he a spy for ramsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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