Stannis is the man....nis Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 After tonight's episode things might be looking good for the Mannis winning the Battle of Ice. For starters things aren't going good for him now which following the GOT formula means things will probably work out for him. An second it's looking more likely after this episode that Sansa and Reek will escape Winterfell and get captured by him. Meaning the pink letter will probably happen. Meaning as most book readers know from the pink letters inconsistency that Stannis is most likely going to fake his death to trick the Boltons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robasp2 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 GoT logic is bad guy wins, not losing guy wins.Stannis army is dwindling.He will not listen to melisandre, her fears will come true, he will die since he fuckin will not give up Shireen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallOther Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 GoT logic is bad guy wins, not losing guy wins.Stannis army is dwindling.He will not listen to melisandre, her fears will come true, he will die since he fuckin will not give up Shireen I'd place my bets on Stannis surviving long enough for the major battles. Boltons are just not as important to storyline. And in the books he hasn't his daughter at Winterfell, so that all "sacrifices must be made" stuff is not that important. Of course, it doesn't mean we'll see a plain victory for Stannis. Perhaps there will be some tricks, deceives, and similar stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Most interesting part for me was Mel confirming she will walk the battlements at Winterfell but I suspect it may not be after a Stannis victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCasualObserver Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 That's the problem with this show. All season Stannis has been touted as a shoe in (with more men and a better commander) so i assumed he was screwed with a capital F. Now he's in trouble, so I think he might be turning it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 GoT logic is bad guy wins, not losing guy wins.Stannis army is dwindling.He will not listen to melisandre, her fears will come true, he will die since he fuckin will not give up Shireen Yea, Stannis wont sacrifice Shireen and it will be his undoing. But he'll go down a good guy, who kept on the decent side of things - so that's something, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Scream Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It would be tragic if Stannis did sacrifice Shireen, his only heir to House Baratheon. After her, there's no one else in the direct family line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuteman Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think LFs pitch to Cersei that Vale knights know how to fight on snow is a bit of a foretell. Edmure Tully is held by the Freys and he is the uncle of Robert Arryn. Brynden Tully was Knight of the Gate for many years and book or show he hasn't been accounted for. He is Edmures uncle. Easiest way to get Edmure back is to find a suitable hostage for a trade. Who better than Roose Bolton, Warden of the North? Blackfish would also want vengeance on the Boltons for killing his neice and Robb Stark, to whom Blackfish pledged as king. He can't bring all of the Vale but as many willing knights and lords as he can persuade (I'm thinking the Royces). I have a suspicion that when the Winterfell seige began at the end of aDwD that it was Blackfish with his knights of the Vale not Stannis as Stannis seemed to still be a ways away. Stannis won't sacrifice Shireen. If he thinks it necessary for a kings blood sacrifice he is far more likely to give himself to the flames and leave Shireen his own claim as her birthright than to burn her. Perhaps a show twist might be that Selyse gets pregnant and offers herself to the flames (she's nutty enough and there was dialogue earlier about children between her and Stannis). If Selyse is pregnant she'll have kings blood in her womb. Just a thought but the show producers seem to like twists and have been going off script quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayven Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 It would be tragic if Stannis did sacrifice Shireen, his only heir to House Baratheon. After her, there's no one else in the direct family line. All hail King Shadowbaby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Yea, Stannis wont sacrifice Shireen and it will be his undoing. But he'll go down a good guy, who kept on the decent side of things - so that's something, right?Wait, the "good side of things" entails murdering your own brother with a shadow baby that you made using adultery and marching 5000 men out to their slaughter because you want a throne? I'd hate to see the bad side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paid Debt Lannister Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Wait, the "good side of things" entails murdering your own brother with a shadow baby that you made using adultery and marching 5000 men out to their slaughter because you want a throne? I'd hate to see the bad side.You've seen the bad side. It's throwing children from towers, ordering the murder of children accross the land, raping and beating your wife and flaying her allies, murdering people at weddings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Wait, the "good side of things" entails murdering your own brother with a shadow baby that you made using adultery and marching 5000 men out to their slaughter because you want a throne? I'd hate to see the bad side. To be fair, Renly was going to kill him too.Not much moral ambiguity there for either party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 You've seen the bad side. It's throwing children from towers, ordering the murder of children accross the land, raping and beating your wife and flaying her allies, murdering people at weddings.Stannis must be quite the badass to keep his army from ever harming children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Wait, the "good side of things" entails murdering your own brother with a shadow baby that you made using adultery and marching 5000 men out to their slaughter because you want a throne? I'd hate to see the bad side. To be fair, Renly was going to kill him too.Not much moral ambiguity there for either party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Minuteman Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Wait, the "good side of things" entails murdering your own brother with a shadow baby that you made using adultery and marching 5000 men out to their slaughter because you want a throne? I'd hate to see the bad side. Stannis doesn't know that he did this. He believes that Brienne killed Renly. Stannis saw the shadow killing Renly in a dream but he dismisses it as a dream. You have him on adultery though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 To be fair, Renly was going to kill him too.Not much moral ambiguity there for either party.Actually, it would mean moral ambiguity was a characteristic of both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Stannis doesn't know that he did this. He believes that Brienne killed Renly. Stannis saw the shadow killing Renly in a dream but he dismisses it as a dream. You have him on adultery though.Stannis also doesn't KNOW that Joffrey/Myrcella/Tommen are bastards. He may be right, but he doesn't KNOW that, because he can't. He certainly suspects it, but his claim to the throne (and all the violence he does to claim it) hinges on the color of a child's hair. That's not exactly righteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denam_Pavel Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Stannis also doesn't KNOW that Joffrey/Myrcella/Tommen are bastards. He may be right, but he doesn't KNOW that, because he can't. He certainly suspects it, but his claim to the throne (and all the violence he does to claim it) hinges on the color of a child's hair. That's not exactly righteous. King Robert named Ned Regent and Lord-Protector until his heir comes of age. Ned supported Stannis' claim, Stannis knew this and didn't name himself King until S2/book 2 after Ned was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambraigne Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 King Robert named Ned Regent and Lord-Protector until his heir comes of age. Ned supported Stannis' claim, Stannis knew this and didn't name himself King until S2/book 2 after Ned was dead.That still doesn't give Stannis evidence. The only way he could ever know that he was the true heir would be if Cersei or Jaime confessed. Even then, with Dany running around Essos, his claim is still suspect. He's just another lord scrambling for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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