Marcel Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act. Before you read "A Storm of Swords", what was your opinion regarding Jaime Lannister and about the reason why he killed Aerys? I mean, before the moment when Jaime told Brienne why he killed Aerys, what reason did you imagine that would have led him to such an act? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I don't think I ever questioned why he did it. Killing the king was just an integral part of who Jaime was as a character- he was the kingslayer. If pressed, I probably would said that it paralleled Tywin's actions- joining the winning side at the last minute and brutally assuring oneself of a place at the victor's table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The way GoT is written we are given a number of depictions of characters that are later transformed. So we only see Jaime as a self-absorbed, sister-loving hothead. There's no reason to see him any other way until his meetup with Vargo Hoat and his Merrie Men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 What??? None of the readers gave him a trial?!? You didn't even write GRRM and ask why?! Ohhhhhhhh the HATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyenon15 Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 I didn't think it was that big of a deal at the time, I thought "Kingslayer" was intended as an honorable title until Jaime chapter we see how much he hates it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 What??? None of the readers gave him a trial?!? You didn't even write GRRM and ask why?! Ohhhhhhhh the HATE! I actually wondered about that. He killed the Mad King that no liked and started a war to defeat. Someone had to do just the manner rubbed everyone the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raving Stark the Mad Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 Someone had to do just the manner rubbed everyone the wrong way. The reader already knows that Jaime is a child murdering sister-banger with a wonderfully humble attitude. Why would the reader assume that Jaime is a secret superhero who is just misunderstood by all those judgmental honorable types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The reader already knows that Jaime is a child murdering sister-banger with a wonderfully humble attitude. Why would the reader assume that Jaime is a secret superhero who is just misunderstood by all those judgmental honorable types? I was referring to the manner he killed the king irked honorable men like Ned Stark and likely the rest of the realm. I was referring to their reactions not that of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamSongs Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Prior to Jaime's revelation, we only see how other POV's view him and his behavior. Who wouldn't find him shallow and arrogant or agree with Ned and Catelyn's view of him? It isn't until ASOS that we actually get Jaime's POV and begin to understand Jaime's actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I honestly thought the reveal was a retcon that he thought of later, and still think that. And I still hated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Honestly can't remember ever hating him, it was his sister (my profile pic-no longer) that I hated. He was just there, didn't really think much of him except that he was a cocky ass.I feel very mixed about him. On one hand he crippled my favourite character, on the other he's an unsung hero who is now seeking redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbySmythe Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 At first, I didn't like him but I liked his character. The way he looked like a true knight, but was really a pretty terrible person. I assumed he killed Aerys because he realised his cause was lost, and he would sooner betray his king rather than his father. Although semi-true, when it was revealed that Aerys wanted to burn King's Landing, I took a liking to him, and now I regard him as someone who was willing to put the lives of others before his own honour. It still doesn't change the fact that he pushed Bran out of a tower, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamSongs Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Nothing will ever change the fact that he pushed Bran out of the tower; yet Jaime receives far more vitriol for attempting to kill a child than other characters (such as Sandor cutting down Mycah) receive for actually murdering children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous22 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I thought he just decided to help his dad by forsaking and betraying his King. I'm so glad that there was more to it and him, he's a great character. The Bran thing still sticks in my craw. At the very least, he felt like he had no other choice and in set Bran on a new path that he may of otherwise never known if he'd been pissing around on horses and waving wooden swords about. Plus Bolton. I love the way GRRM keeps changing our perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion10 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Anyone in Jaime's position would probably have attempted to kill Bran. What he did was no worse than what Catelyn did at the RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Anyone in Jaime's position would probably have attempted to kill Bran. That's untrue and doesn't make him any less of a cunt. Nothing will ever change the fact that he pushed Bran out of the tower; yet Jaime receives far more vitriol for attempting to kill a child than other characters (such as Sandor cutting down Mycah) receive for actually murdering children. Truth... But haven't you heard? Sandor didn't actually murder him. He just killed him. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cassius Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I would've done the exact same thing to bran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion10 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 That's untrue and doesn't make him any less of a cunt. It is true, anyone who chose to take the life of another human being if it meant saving the lives of your three children, your own life and the life of the mother of your children. Cat Stark killed a disabled child in hopes of saving her son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Balon Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Anyone in Jaime's position would probably have attempted to kill Bran. What he did was no worse than what Catelyn did at the RW. Cersie wouldn't, granted that's only because she considers it reckless but still. that's a very low bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 It is true, anyone who chose to take the life of another human being if it meant saving the lives of your three children, your own life and the life of the mother of your children. Cat Stark killed a disabled child in hopes of saving her son. He wasn't doing it for his children, though. He was doing it for his sister and himself. And you have that backwards. She threatened to kill Jinglebell to save Robb, and only did it after Robb was killed. The situations aren't comparable in that Bran wasn't actually a threat to Jaime and Cersei, but Robb and her situation were dire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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