mystickristoff Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 And how the heck were they able to subdue one of the greatest swordsmen in Westoros at the time, and someone as skilled as Brienne (who I assume is a step below Loras tier)? Was it undernourishment for Jaime? Or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty of House Goodmen Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Brave Companions was made up of 100-300 sellswords, and I I recall correctly, they were all there when Jaime and Brienne were captured. That's more than enough men to catch two people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Not to mention that Jaime was still in chains and Brienne and Jaime had just been in a long duel that tired them out. The Brave Companions had Archers and Crossbowmen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Not to mention that Jaime was still in chains and Brienne and Jaime had just been in a long duel that tired them out. The Brave Companions had Archers and Crossbowmen too. This. Also Jaime had been sitting in a dungeon for the better part of a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Sauce Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Jaime was a shell of himself who had been sitting in his own poop and filth for over a year and was given the absolute minimum food needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 But it's not like 100 to 300 men would circle around Jaime and Brienne. Was it mentioned how many Brave Companions the Kingslayer and Brienne the Beauty killed before being subdued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Zero. Because smart people yield when somebody points a crossbow at an unprotected belly and has 299 friends. Of course, given the nature of the Brave Companions, that might be the worse decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Brienne and Jaime had just fought to the point of exhaustion. They were both on their hands and knees in a river, and Brienne was in the middle of waterboarding Jaime when they noticed the Brave Companions. Also, it was only a subset of the Brave Companions who found them initially, they had to travel some ways before meeting Hoat. Brienne lurched to her feet. She was all mud and blood below the waist, her clothing askew, her face red. She looks as if they caught us fucking instead of fighting. Jaime crawled over the rocks to shallow water, wiping the blood from his eye with his chained hands. Armed men lined both sides of the brook. Small wonder, we were making enough noise to wake a dragon. "Well met, friends," he called to them amiably. "My pardons if I disturbed you. You caught me chastising my wife.""Seemed to me she was doing the chastising." The man who spoke was thick and powerful, and the nasal bar of his iron halfhelm did not wholly conceal his lack of a nose.These were not the outlaws who had killed Ser Cleos, Jaime realized suddenly. The scum of the earth surrounded them: swarthy Dornishmen and blond Lyseni, Dothraki with bells in their braids, hairy Ibbenese, coal-black Summer Islanders in feathered cloaks. He knew them. The Brave Companions.Brienne found her voice. "I have a hundred stags—"A cadaverous man in a tattered leather cloak said, "We'll take that for a start, m'lady."So, Urswyck, Rorge, and two each of Dornishmen (including Timeon), Lyseni, Dothraki, Ibbenese and Summer Islanders. Brings the total to an absolute minimum of 12, and more likely two or three times that many. All fully armed and rested, surrounding Jaime and Brienne, with a terrain advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystickristoff Posted May 27, 2015 Author Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hmmm it was mentioned that Jaime killed 10 Northmen before being captured by Robb's forces. Although this Jaime would have been under nourished and out of practice for a year. Brienne was Jaime tier in the books? The TV show has her being superior to even The Hound. I heard her book self isn't Hound tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 There, Jaime was fully armored and heading 3,000 men-at-arms. Brienne is not on Jaime's level. Not by a fair cry. But she is stronger than Jaime and wasn't hemmed by malnourishment and chained. She is worse than the Hound either. Strength and speed are somewhat comparable, maybe even pure skill, but she is severely lacking in the "killer instinct" department and experience. She tends to freeze before/after giving a serious wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A spoon of knife and fork Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hmmm it was mentioned that Jaime killed 10 Northmen before being captured by Robb's forces. Although this Jaime would have been under nourished and out of practice for a year. Brienne was Jaime tier in the books? The TV show has her being superior to even The Hound. I heard her book self isn't Hound tier. The book is entirely vague on this point. We can't know exactly how good Brienne is - as we only see her fight on four occasions and she's otherwise inexperienced. You can make the counter argument about Brienne vs Jaime that while Jaime was weak and his hands bound, he was fighting to kill/escape while Brienne was fighting to disarm/incapacitate. So they both had different advantages. Anyway GRRM's words on the topic in general are that people are hardly in fair fights, and there's little point to figuring out who's the superior fighter when someone could have had a restless night or just trip on a rock or something (which I think is what happens in the Brienne vs Hound fight in the show). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fossoway Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 10 mercenaries with say 3 crossbowmen are enough to capture a tired out woman (remember she threw some heavy rocks before, against a boat) and a diminished great knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The book is entirely vague on this point. We can't know exactly how good Brienne is - as we only see her fight on Anyway GRRM's words on the topic in general are that people are hardly in fair fights, and there's little point to figuring out who's the superior fighter when someone could have had a restless night or just trip on a rock or something (which I think is what happens in the Brienne vs Hound fight in the show). No it didn't. In the show, Sandor was fighting while sick from a neck bite and probably malnourished too. He didn't just lose because he slipped on a rock. Brienne is probably capable of beating Sandor, in some cases, but, if not for his sickness, he would have probably won that fight. The point is that Brienne is good and if she were to fight Sandor in ten fights she would probably win some matches. But, I think Sandor would win the majority. Same with Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think Jamie still thought the Bloody Mummers were his fathers men at the time so they didn't even need to capture him perse. By the time he realized they weren't there to save him they already had his chained ass in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Seed Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 And how the heck were they able to subdue one of the greatest swordsmen in Westoros at the time, and someone as skilled as Brienne (who I assume is a step below Loras tier)? Was it undernourishment for Jaime? Or what? Why is she a step below Loras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Jaime was in chains and probably disarmed at that time, also as BOB said he didn't realise that he was being "subdued" at the time, Brienne is not skilled enough to take on multiple trained warriors at once. Why is she a step below Loras? Almost got beaten by chained and malnourished Jaime, described as being a weaker fighter than Robar Royce, who himself was killed by Loras (though probably with surprise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Ancalagon Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 "Why is she a step below Loras?" 'Cause Loras was beaten the c*** out her till she pulls some unexpected wrestling moves. That said, she does kill some armoured and well trained man. In the Whispers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastTymor Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 "Why is she a step below Loras?" 'Cause Loras was beaten the c*** out her till she pulls some unexpected wrestling moves. That said, she does kill some armoured and well trained man. In the Whispers... If Loras wasn't expecting wrestling moves, that is a mark against him, not Brienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble Maester Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Well GRRM does mention Loras as one of the top fighters. Meanwhile I don't think he has ever included Brienne. Word of God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Loras is a badass. Don't underestimate the Knight of Flowers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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