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I think Marg will die. Gotta love Cersei throwing away the most valuable alliance in Westeros

Harry Hardying would disagree, not about Marg drying, no one disagrees with that.

I could see Mace doing something rash...but will Randyll obey? Probably

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Margaery is not currently in the hands of the Faith. She was given to Tarly until her trial. The trial is likely to end with her proclaimed innocent due to the "evidence" being crap, or Mace slaughters the Faith Militant (and no worries about them joining Aegon, they are ~3,000 strong at best, and not even 1 in 10 is trained at arms or even note-worthy. With 30,000 soldiers in the capital from Mace's host alone, plus thousands more from Tarly's, it's barely a day's work to kill them all) and goes on to name a new High Septon, proclaim the former one a heretic, and go on with his day. He has better shit to do.



That is assuming that now that Kevan is dead, Mace won't just do what he kept asking - Have Tommen sign a decree that clears Margaery and negate the need for this farce in the first place. What is the High Septon going to do? This is not Cersei walking like a moron into the hands of those fools and making this a hostage situation - The Faith have no more hostages, and the Tyrells have no fucks to give about them. They don't like the results = they Faith Militant is no more.


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Margaery is not currently in the hands of the Faith. She was given to Tarly until her trial. The trial is likely to end with her proclaimed innocent due to the "evidence" being crap, or Mace slaughters the Faith Militant (and no worries about them joining Aegon, they are ~3,000 strong at best, and not even 1 in 10 is trained at arms or even note-worthy. With 30,000 soldiers in the capital from Mace's host alone, plus thousands more from Tarly's, it's barely a day's work to kill them all) and goes on to name a new High Septon, proclaim the former one a heretic, and go on with his day. He has better shit to do.

That is assuming that now that Kevan is dead, Mace won't just do what he kept asking - Have Tommen sign a decree that clears Margaery and negate the need for this farce in the first place. What is the High Septon going to do? This is not Cersei walking like a moron into the hands of those fools and making this a hostage situation - The Faith have no more hostages, and the Tyrells have no fucks to give about them. They don't like the results = they Faith Militant is no more.

This. Armies are useful.

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Could the answer lie in folk rather hoping Cersei loses her trial by combat first? Hard to pardon Margery without a pardon for Cersei.



But the other real possibility is that Cersei was the HS target all along. The incest etc.



Agree that the Tyrels would have no problem wiping out the Faith Militant.


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If there's one trait about the Tyrells, it's that they back eachother up. Mace Tyrell may not be Tywin Lannister, but if they Faith found a way to harm Margery (not that they've got one, now that Tarly has her), he would make the Sack of King's Landing look like 'The Peaceful Occupation of King's Landing'.


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But is Tarly loyal to Mace?


Tarly's wife is a Florent and their lands abut Brightwater Keep but all the Florent lands were granted to Garlan Tyrell and Mrs Tarley (ne Florent) may have been given to her instead.


Mace Tyrell keeps taking credit for Randyll Tarly's vitories. Both at Ashford and in the present. Mace is the hero of the city but Tarly probably did most of the work in the battle and he received no rewards from the crown.


Mace was a Targaryen Loyalist during Roberts Rebellion and may not have forgetten the Targaryens as quickly as Mace.


The Golden Company says they still have friends in the Reach.



Not saying he lets the faith execute her but she seems like a great hostage for Team Aegon and Mace may be fed up with his Lord.



Or not, but Mace and Randyll Tarly may not be on great terms any more.


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Tarly will protect her. Marge is his liege lord's daughter and recognized as Tommen's queen. The alternative is that the marriage was never true and Cersei remains in power as Queen Mother.


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The word will come that fAegon took Storm's End. So, Mace will not wait for the end of the trial while fAegon is tearing up the Seven Kingdoms. After Stormlanders declare for him, the IT can not risk the Dornish joining him. So, they must march on fAegon and destroy him, otherwise say goodbye to their kingdom.


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Or they could ally with him. Margaery has STILL not consummated a marriage and she could marry Aegon and bring all the swords of the Reach, interesting if the Reach and Dorne are competing for Aegon.

Margaery is not a virgin and she is being tried for adultery. Worse, she is officially married to the king and the person to annul her marriage so that she could marry fAegon is the High Sparrow.

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Who has she slept with?


Why do we think she is guilty?


We get all of this from Cersei who is constantly being lied to. Pycelle is a fool and Taena Merryweather is someone's agent and is attempting to either unbalance and embarrass Cersei, or drive a wedge between Lannister and Tyrell.



None of that matters if she brings 50,000 soldiers.


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Who has she slept with?

Why do we think she is guilty?

We get all of this from Cersei who is constantly being lied to. Pycelle is a fool and Taena Merryweather is someone's agent and is attempting to either unbalance and embarrass Cersei, or drive a wedge between Lannister and Tyrell.

None of that matters if she brings 50,000 soldiers.

We do not know if she is guilty. But I find a Marg and Aegon marriage unbelievable.. They need the HS for that.

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Pretty sure mace has an army right now in kings landing.

That seems like a very strong threat of "find our daughter guilty then prepare for a sack".

Maybe that's what high sparrow wants. Cause if something like that did happen it would stain the Tyrell name and if marg is guilty then the alliance is finished.

Margaery is not a virgin and she is being tried for adultery. Worse, she is officially married to the king and the person to annul her marriage so that she could marry fAegon is the High Sparrow.

The broken maidenhead was probably due to horses. Even if she did have sex with renly i doubt this was when it was broken, because I think Marg does do a lot of horse riding.

And also Taena might be saying things to please Cersei. I may sound stupid for saying this but could taena really even know about the handmaid (forgot her name). Don't see why margaery would trust all of her companions to know such a thing, or why she would confide such a thing to taena

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If Mace decides to switch horses again - say, after the Golden Company is quite successful - the Tommen could easily have a mortal accident and Margaery becomes a widow again. Whether she is virgin or not shouldn't matter all that much (Arianne isn't a virgin, either) if Aegon can win the complete Reach rather than only some portions of it.



As of yet, we have to operate under the assumption that Mace will not bestir himself - and that means both Mace and Randyll won't bestir themselves (Tarly does not have an army of his own, he had command of the forces King Joffrey sent to deal with the Northmen attacking Duskendale - now that the host is back in the city it is again under the command of Mace Tyrell) - until the Margaery situation is settled. Mace will either proclaim Margaery's innocence through Tommen, or he'll put pressure on the Faith to go through with the trial quickly and he'll ensure that his daughter is well-protected and his men are close by to intervene should the Faith try to do something foolish.



The sparrows would be utterly stupid if they found Margaery guilty as this would almost certainly lead to war in the streets, a war they could not hope to win, nor a war that would give them further sympathy in KL - after all, Margaery is well-loved by the Kingslanders. The High Septon would risk everything if he insisted on Margaery being guilty - which is why he won't do that.



Mace has no reason to rush out of KL - he is overconfident and thinks he can deal with Aegon in any case. He does not care about Storm's End. The idea that Mace would send away troops from KL to deal with Aegon before his daughter has been cleared of any charges makes no sense at all. Margaery has to remain Tommen's queen or else Mace has no reason to further back King Tommen. He'll see to that first before he deals with any outside threat.



As to Tarly's disloyalty:



That is, as of yet, just baseless speculation. Nothing suggests that Randyll Tarly is not perfectly happy with the role he plays under Mace - in fact, Kevan thinks that Randyll is actually the brain behind Mace's actions which, if true, could mean that Randyll is a very loyal champion of House Tyrell. Mathis Rowan, the lord Mace left in charge of the Reach men besieging Storm's End, may switch sides and join Aegon as he was pretty pissed about the Lannister slaughter of the Targaryen children back in ASoS. But we have no idea or hint whatsoever that the Tarlys have any hidden agenda or hidden connections to either the Targaryens or the Blackfyres/Golden Company that could motivate them to betray Mace.



In fact, we don't even know how long Mace will be content with backing Tommen. If the Golden Company lures his army into a trap at Storm's End he may considering joining Aegon the better option. With Mace being the Hand and soon the Lord Regent I imagine he'll stay in KL while Tarly leads the forces to Storm's End. Considering that the Golden Company has elephants - and that the Westerosi knights never fought against elephants as far as we know - it is not unlikely that this will become a huge slaughter - and Tarly could well be among the slain (or Mace himself, if he accompanies the army).


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