UnboundUnbentUnbroken Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 When Ned thought Arthur Dayne did they both wield their prized swords? I'm quite sure Arthur had Dawn because of the whole "going to starfall" thing but I don't remember if Ice was at the TOJI just thought it'd be cool if Ice and Dawn clashed as its like polar opposites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuk Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Also thought about it. :-) epic clash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hol Horse Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ice is a bit big to be used in battle, innit? At least by someone like Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ned may have reclaimed Ice for his family by this point, but would he be ready to use it in battle? Presumably at that point he would have been far more comfortable fighting with a longsword. In fact the only time we see Ned try to fight he's using a longsword. So I would say it's unlikely. But if he was worried about Dawn cutting right through the sword he used during the rebellion, he could have decided to use Ice for that battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ice is far too big to be used by Ned in single combat. Maybe the Clegane's could use it but not many could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Ice is far too big to be used by Ned in single combat. Maybe the Clegane's could use it but not many could.So are we supposed to assume that the Starks were normally the size of the Cleganes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 So are we supposed to assume that the Starks were normally the size of the Cleganes? Who said they used it in combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hol Horse Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 So are we supposed to assume that the Starks were normally the size of the Cleganes? Or we can assume it was only used for executions. That wouldn't be too farfetched, seeing as how we only see it used two times, once by Ned and another by Ilyn Payne, and both times for an execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Or we can assume it was only used for executions. That wouldn't be too farfetched, seeing as how we only see it used two times, once by Ned and another by Ilyn Payne, and both times for an execution.Seems like a waste of Valyrian Steel to only use it for executions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hol Horse Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Seems like a waste of Valyrian Steel to only use it for executions. Well, I wager it's easier to lop off a man's head with it than a regular sword. Nothing worse than ruining a good beheading by half-lopping the person's head and then bashing it repeatedly until it falls off. It's either using it as a ceremonial weapon, or training your head-of-house to wield it in battle. The latter seems like it would require a lot of time and effort, and even then it's not a very convenient weapon. Just having to carry it around is work enough, can't use it in small spaces, yadda yadda. Yet, not using it often would mean loss of skill overtime, or lack of useful improvement. Lot of work for a sword. Personally, I think the Starks should've done what Tywin did and find someone to reforge it into two smaller swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greenseer Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I'd like to think Ned used Ice at the TOJ. Ice isn't too big to wield. All the dimensions we get are that it was taller than a 14 year old Robb (who was not very tall to begin with) and that it was as wide as a hand. If it is taller than Robb that would put it at around 5' 5" or something around that. That is definitely within reason for a Greatsword, there are larger swords that were used in history. As for it being "wide as a hand", who is to say it is that wide the entire length of the blade? Lots of swords are broad at the hilt and get narrower down the length of the blade. For all we know greatswords could have been his primary weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I hope he didn't, Ned battling with his big magic steel greatsword is less interesting to me than him just using his no nonsense longsword. Seems very un-Nedish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikethesebooks Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Yeah seems like whoever was boss stark would use that sword 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Ice is far too big to be used by Ned in single combat. Maybe the Clegane's could use it but not many could. :bs: Yes, it's an infantry blade, not suited for mounted combat, but as far as greatswords go, far from the biggest. Dawn should be a similar size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeethGrinder Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 :bs: Yes, it's an infantry blade, not suited for mounted combat, but as far as greatswords go, far from the biggest. Dawn should be a similar size. Sorry I'm not as down with the absolute specifics of the practicality of a fantasy sword as you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangII Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Remember that Ice is made of Valyrian steel, so is not that heavy. I understand that the size is a problem when using it in close-combat, but that doesn't mean Ned (and all the Starks lords and brothers) have learn how to fight with a Greatsword. Either way, I don't thinkhe used Ice when he fought Arthur Dayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyrian Blade Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Well, he did take the blade to king's landing. It seems that he usually wielded it in battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Remember that Ice is made of Valyrian steel, so is not that heavy. I understand that the size is a problem when using it in close-combat, but that doesn't mean Ned (and all the Starks lords and brothers) have learn how to fight with a Greatsword. Either way, I don't thinkhe used Ice when he fought Arthur Dayne. Even normal steel would weigh just about three pounds. Maybe three and a half. That's it. And the point of balance is damn close to the crossguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsOfBrains Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Ice is far too big to be used by Ned in single combat. Maybe the Clegane's could use it but not many could.I think that would be true for a regular greats word but Ice is valerian steel which is supposed to be hella light. Also The Mance doesn't seem to have trouble swinging around a two handed sword and I always pictured The Ned and The Mance having similar builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne-EyedHound Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 To the people saying it's too heavy for battle, remember this is Valyrian steel. Valyrian steel is much lighter, ice could've been as heavy as a normal longsword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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