Gimli son of Gloin Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Spoulers spoilers spoilers!:After Daenerys line in ep9(i think it was) "I'm going to break the wheel", many speculated we perhaps wouldn't see anyone on the top of the Iron Throne in the end. Many thought a revolution of some sort or Dany freing the kingdoms could lead to democracy...GRRM just said in an interview when visiting Stockholm, that he believed both him and D&D were intending for having the same character at the top of the throne in the end. I.e. someone at the top, ruling Westeros. The link below is from the norwegian national news site:link: http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2015/06/na-kan-det-bli-darlig-stemning/Norwegian:" Det spørs hva du mener med slutten. I tillegg til mange små har jeg tolv hovedfigurer med tolv forskjellige avslutninger, og ikke alle disse vil få den samme slutten på TV som i bøkene. Men (journ.anm: serieskaperne) David (journ.anm: Benioff) og Dan (journ.anm: Benioff) og jeg har hatt flere diskusjoner rundt dette opp gjennom årene, og de vet de store linjene i historien. Så jeg antar at det er den samme personen som kommer til å sitte på jerntronen til slutt."I know this does not really confirm much, but I suppose it spoils the fact that someone will "win" the game of thrones, or at least be somewhat of a leader/ruler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickon will return Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 If at the end Westeros becomes a democracy, I'm burning all my books.IIRC, This isn't the first time Martin mentions someone sitting on the throne in the end. I think it's safe to say the IT survives, it if's the only thing in Westeros that does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Patroclo Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Spoulers spoilers spoilers!: After Daenerys line in ep9(i think it was) "I'm going to break the wheel", many speculated we perhaps wouldn't see anyone on the top of the Iron Throne in the end. Many thought a revolution of some sort or Dany freing the kingdoms could lead to democracy... GRRM just said in an interview when visiting Stockholm, that he believed both him and D&D were intending for having the same character at the top of the throne in the end. I.e. someone at the top, ruling Westeros. The link below is from the norwegian national news site: link: http://p3.no/filmpolitiet/2015/06/na-kan-det-bli-darlig-stemning/ Thank you for the info, although imho is not a spoiler at all.. it was known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Bastard Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 A budding bourgeoisie hasn't really been established in Westeros, so I don't anticipate feudalism being overthrown in the world of ASOIAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Dany will be the winner. EDIT: Maybe Tyrion or some unpredictable, but Dany seems to like a clear candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Democracy will not happen, Martin knows well enough that such huge shifts doesn't happen so fast (see meereen). The idea wouldn't even make sense to most people in westeros and they don't have the necessary institutions. I could see the King's being elected by the end of the series, but not by the common folk, it will be by a counsel of the top houses. nonetheless, Kings being elected would make it less likely to have kings like Jeoffery and Aerys. Unpopular as it is, I personally think stannis will win the throne in the end. He will be exempt from the election process but he might allow for an election to determine his heir (who might be Jon Snow). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubarey Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 "I could see the King's being elected by the end of the series, but not by the common folk, it will be by a counsel of the top houses. nonetheless, Kings being elected would make it less likely to have kings like Jeoffery and Aerys." Hisroricly nations that had an "elected" king were those where no noble family gained enough power to make kingship hereditary. As the case of the Holy Roman Emperor this made for a very weak and disunited realm that was susceptible to great upheavels at times when nooe candidate won election 9re they were so weak the could not rule effectively. It also has the potential to make the realm (because of its weak state) a target for foreign invasion. Frankly, Elected kings had the worst of two worlds the Fuedal system was still in tact but the central government was weak and national insittutions were slower to take root. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 "I could see the King's being elected by the end of the series, but not by the common folk, it will be by a counsel of the top houses. nonetheless, Kings being elected would make it less likely to have kings like Jeoffery and Aerys." Hisroricly nations that had an "elected" king were those where no noble family gained enough power to make kingship hereditary. As the case of the Holy Roman Emperor this made for a very weak and disunited realm that was susceptible to great upheavels at times when nooe candidate won election 9re they were so weak the could not rule effectively. It also has the potential to make the realm (because of its weak state) a target for foreign invasion. Frankly, Elected kings had the worst of two worlds the Fuedal system was still in tact but the central government was weak and national insittutions were slower to take root. I see what you are saying, and I agree to a degree, but I think the seven kingdoms wouldn't necessarily be as fractured as the holy roman empire. For one the current king could still maintain all the administrative central power, he could have veto power for the elected heir and he has final say on who is appointed to various government roles. I don't think the elections for Heirs would necessarily spiral into a scenario like holy roman empire, only situations would be when the king and heir both die and without the King's veto power it could lead to civil war or a prolonged disagreement on who might be king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I see what you are saying, and I agree to a degree, but I think the seven kingdoms wouldn't necessarily be as fractured as the holy roman empire. For one the current king could still maintain all the administrative central power, he could have veto power for the elected heir and he has final say on who is appointed to various government roles. I don't think the elections for Heirs would necessarily spiral into a scenario like holy roman empire, only situations would be when the king and heir both die and without the King's veto power it could lead to civil war or a prolonged disagreement on who might be king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Cersei burning the KL is foreshadowed both in the show and the books. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroyer of Nations Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Yup. The best player LF will win the game of thrones only to be betrayed at the very end by Sansa and this will result in King Tyrion. While Tyrion is my favourite character and I would love to see him as King (on Game of Thrones, not in the book series) I doubt that will happen. Hand? Yes. King? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuardstheRealmsofMen Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 GRRM just said in an interview when visiting Stockholm, that he believed both him and D&D were intending for having the same character at the top of the throne in the end. I.e. someone at the top, ruling Westeros. Well, good to know it doesn't just end with wights marauding randomly. I can't imagine they sit on Thrones, even the Night's King... Am I the only one who really wished Dany had said "burn the wheel?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wkbm01 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think it's safe to say that in asoiaf just like real life however it ends, no matter how bitter or sweet, people won't learn from the past.a democracy in asoiaf is bravos.I think that they will sho you how treacherous a democracy can be in their world.will the iron throne pay their loans,now that Johns dead?, will the nw pay their loans,stannis, every player in asoiaf ultimately ends up indebted to the iron bank.I think in varys riddle money is truly where all power lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other_Jon33 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I agree about money equaling power and I think that whoever it is that ends up on the iron throne will do so with help from the iron bank. We know from the Arianne II chapter in WOW that there may be another dance of dragons civil war, so I think it will be Dany or Aegon Blackfyre that will rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonSnowed Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Dany will be the winner. EDIT: Maybe Tyrion or some unpredictable, but Dany seems to like a clear candidate. Sorry if it seems like I am getting at you but I really do not see how Dany winning the iron throne fits with the bitter sweet ending we were promised and seems completely out of character with everything ASOIF has established. Far more likely Tyrion, Sansa or Jon than Dany in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Did he say *iron* throne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arystan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 No democracy, they're not ready for that. I think breaking the wheel means that Dany will attempt to make a transition to absolute monarchy(like it was in France or Russia), so it's the end of feudal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoppy Hour Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 it would be hilarious if at the end of ASOIAF we had a king (or queen) that does nothing at all, like in modern times. They give a speech from time to time, they attend ceremonies, but all the power is in the Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGBeyondAsshai Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Dany's vision of the throne room empty, in ruins and full of snow seemed to either indicate the absence of a monarchy or Jon (and they kept it in the show despite leaving several of her visions from house of undying out)I think after the war of five kings, the faith militant, the dragons and the white walkers bringing winter--not to mention Cersei seriously burning that place down--there isn't going to be much of KL left and the rest of Westeros will be fragmented pre-Targ style while they recover. But the throne will still be standing. Maybe someone will wander through the empty husk of the Red Keep and sit on it in the last episode. Just for the visual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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