Ser Brandon Badwater Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 As a book reader i loved the first few seasons, mainly because a lot of scenes were nailed from how my mind`s eye saw the scene while reading it. As the series has progressed though, with the merging of characters and deviation from the books i feel robbed of some scenes i would have loved to see on the show.My question is this.. Do we book readers all watch the show wanting to see our imaginings brought to life on the small screen, and judge it unfairly because our own imagination isn`t constrained by a budget or timescale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtrGbln Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Typer of Dorne Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Some times definitely. I think this sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLCOvZOh1o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khorkalba Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 If my only complaint about the show was that some of the more spectacular elements don't quite live up to the way I imagined them reading the books due to time and budget issues, I would be reasonably happy. Unfortunately, most of the issues I have with the show come from the stuff the producers add, not leave out. They're adding more and more of their own fanfiction each season, and more often than not it's poorly written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The books were so poppin that yes we judge the show but too harshly? No, I don't think so. They leave out a lot of cool stuff. They do a lot of cool stuff too tho. At this point tho I think that effing with the Sullied is a full time contact sport with D+D... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protar Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not really. Season 1 missed out on a lot of the extravagance and imagery of the books. Like the Hand's Tourney for example. And yet S1 was great. The problem is that the show is now very different in terms of plot, and completely unrecognisable in terms of themes and character arcs. Many of the changes made are unnecessary or outright detrimental to the show, and are often downright offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron Velar Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yes and no. Yes because we all view the characters differently in our imagination and we each visualize the scenes differently as well and no because truth be told GOT has had terrible writing and major plot holes and have butchered characters.. Dorne anyone... Stannis... Plus it changes things up and really diverges from the plot in the books sometimes adding unnecessary scenes for shock value while not bad by no means. It just diverges the themes present in the books and what the characters believe and butcher them into one dimensional characters. Plus the shock factor has worn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsug Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 No. The problem is not our imagination and whether the show lives up to it, the problem is that 1) the plots, characters and dialogue now mostly come from D&D's imagination and have very little to do with the characterization, character arcs and themes of the books, so it is failing as an adaptation; 2) it's also bad quality just by itself at this point, failing to meet the basic requirements of good fiction - the plots are often illogical, continuity is poor, characterization inconsistent and devoid of depth, narrative structure is poor, character arcs nonexistent or not making sense, dialogue often trite, thematically season 5 does not come together, and it's full of (often rather offensive) clichés. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 That's always a problem with any adaptation. One of the reasons I loved Hardhome so much is cause I didn't have any book scene to compare it to. Some of the criticisms of season 5 have been legitimate, but a lot of it is the usual case of a person's mind rejecting a portrayal of a character or scene that differs from how they've envisioned it all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 That's always a problem with any adaptation. One of the reasons I loved Hardhome so much is cause I didn't have any book scene to compare it to. Some of the criticisms of season 5 have been legitimate, but a lot of it is the usual case of a person's mind rejecting a portrayal of a character or scene that differs from how they've envisioned it all these years.No, it's not, since only a tiny percentage of this season's scenes came from the books - and even some of those that kinda sorta did in terms of plot points were significantly changed in terms of context and meaning and character behaviour, like Drogon saving damsel in distress Dany (not what happened in the book scene at all!) or Gilly and Sam having sex - as a result of him trying to save her from rape, or Jon being stabbed...by Oly? What scenes this season were really from the books? The flashback, the execution of Janos Slynt, Stannis offering Jon legitimization, the Walk of Shame...what else? Someone please remind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ache Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Honestly, no. I don't expect the show to be 100 % faithful to the books. I don't mind deviations, I could enjoy the show for itself if it was good but it just isn't. The plots are nonsensical, the dialogue is bad and the characters are inconsistent. If I was invested in any of the characters at all, it'd probably be enough to keep me watching but I just can't care about any of them. It's like even though they have the same names and the same actors they are completely different characters from one episode to the next, hell, sometimes even from one scene to the next. The writers make them whoever or whatever they need them to be to service the illogical plots or deliver the next meme-worthy line or whatever. Even if I'd never read the books I'd still think it was a shitty show because it no longer has any of the elements that drew me in in the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Brandon Badwater Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 If my only complaint about the show was that some of the more spectacular elements don't quite live up to the way I imagined them reading the books due to time and budget issues, I would be reasonably happy. Unfortunately, most of the issues I have with the show come from the stuff the producers add, not leave out. They're adding more and more of their own fanfiction each season, and more often than not it's poorly written. They don`t have to be spectacular. My favourie scene was Jaime and Brienne in the bathtub, i could have been reading the book and would have seen that exact scene in my head. There are plenty such scenes in seasonns 1-4 yet season 5 i don`t recognise anything and find myself in no great hurry for season 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGBeyondAsshai Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 They don`t have to be spectacular. My favourie scene was Jaime and Brienne in the bathtub, i could have been reading the book and would have seen that exact scene in my head.One of my favorite scenes as well. :) Other than missing direwolves, I don't care as much about special effects as I do about consistent character arcs. They can deviate from the books and they've proven when they choose to they can do it well, but it should make sense to that character's emotions and motivations. When things are taken out without warning or just happen/ are added without reason, it's frustrating. This last season made a lot of inexplicable character choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Bauer 24 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The show is better than the books which really aren't that good to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apovsic Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 As it was said, the answer is yes and no. Let's take a look at Stannis. He was portrayed as a religious zealot in the show, which is different from the books and I hate it. But it was consistent through the show. And even in the episode 9 of the season, which pissed me off, I could buy that showStannis could do it, so maybe it overreaction from the fans on this part. However in the ep. 10, when he looses against Boltons and all the mistakes he make, even though he was build as good war commander, that is something that we should be pissed about if we are book purist or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayven Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 As the quality of the books nosedived, the show decided against mirroring it.. and instead chose its very own original way to nosedive in quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annara Snow Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The show is better than the books which really aren't that good to me So, you supposedly read them now? When did you get the time? Those are five big books! I doubt that you managed to read them all in three months. If you did, you must have just skimmed through and skipped a lot of chapters or just not paid any attention, looking to get to the next plot twist. You're the Unsullied who kept pestering people just before the season started with questions on what happens in the books so you'd know what happens in the show. Is that what you're basing your judgment on, what people on the forum told you? That would sure explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I can generally tell when I'm being too judgmental based on my idea of the books. But, this season in particular, the show has just dropped far too much in quality, in terms of the writing/dialogue, the number of inconsistencies, the terrible characterisations, the terrible choreography of fight scenes, the illogical shoehorning of established characters into arcs which are not theirs, awful pacing of the season as a whole, inability to allocate budget sensibly (Let's blow the budget on one 20 minute segment of an episode because ZOMBIES! SHAKING! FIGHTING! DEATH!) and just general sloppiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The show is better than the books which really aren't that good to meOh yes, I can totally see how things like Dorne were an improvement. Terrible acting, shitty choreography, awful costumes, laughably bad dialogue, illogical plot. Brilliance right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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