If Jon returns in S6 will he... ?

[Rinn80]

Will he:

1. Kill the ones who had stabbed him or just forgive (some of) them,
   
2. Still stay on the wall or leave it and become ... ?
   
3. Fight the Boltons ?
   
4. Accept that he is special and that he has a goal which he has to fulfill
   
5. and what will be his relationship with Melisandre (in regard to his view about her visions) ? WIll he be more listening to her or wont anything change at all ?
   

And if he returns, will he be resurrected or healed from his wounds ?

[Ben H'gahr]

1. I don't think he will care / Tormund and his pals will take care of it

2. He will leave and go North to find out more about the Others

3. That's a possibility too (who else left to kick'em out?)

4. At some point he will but difficult to say when / how / under which circumstances

5. I think she dies / sacrifices herself giving the kiss of life

6. In the show he looks pretty dead - so my guess would be resurrection

[dbunting]

TV show responses

If Mel revives him:

1. don't think so

2. Will not stay at the wall, maybe leaves and heads north to try to stop the NK

3. Why would he fight the Boltons? If he wanted to do that he could have already

4. See 2 above

5. Not sure on him and Mel. She may be what convinces him to head north

And if he comes back, definitely kiss of life. 5 gut stabs and a chest stab, has to be dead.

If the Nights King revives him

1. Yes

2. No

3. Yes, and every other human

4. No

5. Enemies

Raised by the Nights King, so he's dead

[Rinn80]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

[VenezuelanLord]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

She knows the ritual, she havent had the chance to do it, thoros didnt resurrected his brother,he resurrected beric dondarrion, at least 7 times,and thoros could resurrect beric only because he was truly shaken by his death, emotional you would say, just like melisandre right now after all that happened at winterfell, and she will resurrect jon because she already realized that he is AA, and she is at the wall, so..

[Red Typer of Dorne]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

Thorus was very clear that he did not have any power, he asked the Lord's favour and the Lord answered as he will. If this is true then as long as Mel knows the last kiss ritual she is potentially a vessel for the LOL power. As for why not Stannis? She has seen that her faith in Stannis was misplaced, his men deserted him leaving him to be slaughtered by the Boltons. She has realized she must have misread the flames (I won't spoil it, but there are hint's of this in the books).

[Ben H'gahr]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

Absolutey correct, I don't think it's her "skill" (her skill is vision).

Well, she is not where Stannis is - neither in the books nor in the show. And I think her riding away from Stannis to the Wall is to imply that she realized that Stannis ain't AA. So no incentive to revive him.

[JonSnowed]

When he comes back I don't see him having chance to wipe out the watch, but if not I can't believe they will be happy to see him and all will be forgiven. Beyond that I think he will lead the wildlings and the North in defence of Westeros, maybe one day face off against Dany.

[Skulb]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

You should watch the episode(s) with the Brotherhood again I think. The priest there clearly says that he just says the usual words but that they worked because it was his friend who was dead. Mellisandre doesn`t seem very sentimental and doesn`t appear to have any friends, so she clearly wouldn`t mourn anyone too much if they died. And that`s why she can`t resurrect people. Based on the Brotherhood episodes she could resurrect Snow if she had feelings for him though, either romantically or because she`s his mother (Not impossible but probably not likely) just by saying a prayer she presumably knows very well. As for resurrecting Stannis she clearly doesn`t have any feelings for him and he has just been her tool since Robert Barathion`s death. Besides he has lost his army and probably his spirit as well. And he probably isn`t dead.

[Eldric Storm]

You should watch the episode(s) with the Brotherhood again I think. The priest there clearly says that he just says the usual words but that they worked because it was his friend who was dead. Mellisandre doesn`t seem very sentimental and doesn`t appear to have any friends, so she clearly wouldn`t mourn anyone too much if they died. And that`s why she can`t resurrect people. Based on the Brotherhood episodes she could resurrect Snow if she had feelings for him though, either romantically or because she`s his mother (Not impossible but probably not likely) just by saying a prayer she presumably knows very well. As for resurrecting Stannis she clearly doesn`t have any feelings for him and he has just been her tool since Robert Barathion`s death. Besides he has lost his army and probably his spirit as well. And he probably isn`t dead.

That's not how it works at all. Well at least in the books. Explain how Catelyn gets resurrected in the first place in that case.

[Hajk]

Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ?

I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light.

And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ?

Well whether she was surprised at the resurrection itself or at the fact that Thoros could do it was unclear. She said the he should not have this power. It tells us little about whether others actually have shown such power. Thoros himself attributes it to just the old words and the Lord of Light responding. It seems that Thoros had not seen resurrections before (otherwise why lose his faith in the first place) but Melisandre may have. It clearly wasn't so great a miracle that Melisandre would think about it for too long (which would be strange if it never happened, or she had never heard of it. All that seems to have happened is that she took it a sufficient evidence that the Lord of Light approved of whatever the Brotherhood was doing, so she didn't invite them to join her and Azor Ahai (Stannis for her at the time); probably thinking that they had their own purpose.

The extra material on the DVDs (if we can take it as canon) shows that Thoros is concerned with the Azor Ahai quest as well. But he does not seem to join her either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opJ7h5rwvjs

[Ben H'gahr]

When he comes back I don't see him having chance to wipe out the watch, but if not I can't believe they will be happy to see him and all will be forgiven. Beyond that I think he will lead the wildlings and the North in defence of Westeros, maybe one day face off against Dany.

Seems plausible to me and also they need her Dragons to burn the Wights.

I don't think Dany and Jon would butcher each other when they meet since ... I don't know ... doesn't seem to be their nature.

[Ben H'gahr]

You should watch the episode(s) with the Brotherhood again I think. The priest there clearly says that he just says the usual words but that they worked because it was his friend who was dead. Mellisandre doesn`t seem very sentimental and doesn`t appear to have any friends, so she clearly wouldn`t mourn anyone too much if they died. And that`s why she can`t resurrect people. Based on the Brotherhood episodes she could resurrect Snow if she had feelings for him though, either romantically or because she`s his mother (Not impossible but probably not likely) just by saying a prayer she presumably knows very well. As for resurrecting Stannis she clearly doesn`t have any feelings for him and he has just been her tool since Robert Barathion`s death. Besides he has lost his army and probably his spirit as well. And he probably isn`t dead.

I guess seeing that he IS AA and truly believing in this prophecy would create enough of an emotional connection to enable her to do this.

[Lady Blackmont]

The watch will never survive Tormund.

He will clothesline all of them with his member.

[Skulb]

That's not how it works at all. Well at least in the books. Explain how Catelyn gets resurrected in the first place in that case.

Well that was how it was explained in the TV show, which is what we`re actually talking about here. Like I said, people should go back and rewatch the Brotherhood episodes in S2. Whatever was explained there is presumably what we must expect the show to work with. In isolation the resurrection of a relatively obscure priest in a cave was pretty meaningless after all. It has to lead up to something more significant for it to really matter enough to give it large parts of several episodes. Personally I think that something is Melisandre resurrecting Jon. I could be wrong of course, but that would make a lot of sense to me.

[Ben H'gahr]

Well that was how it was explained in the TV show, which is what we`re actually talking about here. Like I said, people should go back and rewatch the Brotherhood episodes in S2. Whatever was explained there is presumably what we must expect the show to work with. In isolation the resurrection of a relatively obscure priest in a cave was pretty meaningless after all. It has to lead up to something more significant for it to really matter enough to give it large parts of several episodes. Personally I think that something is Melisandre resurrecting Jon. I could be wrong of course, but that would make a lot of sense to me.

You are right, everything could be seen as a buildup for this so far.

[A Ghost of Someone]

Jon, once dead is released from his vows. If resurrected. He can tell the watch to fuck you and give me my damn sword back, "I am out of here"

[pettes]

Im quite sure he wouldnt do that. He already had the chance wit a royal decree but turned it down. The wall is also in need for defendibg so he wont leave it.

[Valhalla Morghulis]

Absolutey correct, I don't think it's her "skill" (her skill is vision).

Well, she is not where Stannis is - neither in the books nor in the show. And I think her riding away from Stannis to the Wall is to imply that she realized that Stannis ain't AA. So no incentive to revive him.

Yes she lost faith in him as AA so she left but when she returned to C Black she did not look to Jon as the new AA so that is still left open.

I think Mel will resurrect Jon if he is to return, but then again why did D and D show Mel returning to C Black if that was the case as that has pretty much given the game away and most people now do not believe Jon is really dead. Unless the Red Witch is a red herring and that's why they showed it.

On the other hand I just watched Hardhome again and the immense face off between Jon and NK must portend a future engagement ie as they currently are - Night v Day, it seems just too big a set up to have no pay off, the show's equivalent of the book's Jon backstory.

[Ben H'gahr]

On the other hand I just watched Hardhome again and the immense face off between Jon and NK must portend a future engagement ie as they currently are - Night v Day, it seems just too big a set up to have no pay off, the show's equivalent of the book's Jon backstory.

You are right, but Hardhome IMO is only the tip of the iceberg. There was so much buildup over the years which would just be in vain and pointless if he was dead.