The Answer Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 If it ended up being 2v1, Ned & Howland vs Arthur, wouldn't that mean either Ned or Howland had to kill at least one of the other two KG knights? I'm starting to think Howland is just an absolute monster and cleaned up himself. I'm picturing the red viper but actually finishes people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cladinator Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I don't think Ned would think very highly of Howland the coward. I agree with you. It doesn't seem like it would be good story telling to give this little bit of information only to finally find out that it was this bogus, cowardly act that saved Ned. I don't think it was something lame like magic, either. At least I hope it wasn't. I'm sure when we find out it will be interesting and satisfying. That's not just wishful thinking. I think GRRM would make a good tale of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 But never mind because I just re-read the comments :blush:. This is what happens when you skim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Definitely warged him. Then he went into hiding/exile because he is an abomination. Although Arthur Dayne dying after a crannog trapped him with a net would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 So most likely Howland was just hiding the whole fight as some sort of Guerrilla tactic or out of fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cladinator Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I'd like to picture Howland as a total badass with his net and his frog spear. I'm thinking yoda badass (like when he's tearing it up in the prequels). It's probably not that intense but I'd like to think of Howland as a modest but shockingly effective killer. I'm looking forward to finally meeting Howland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Well, look on the bright side. Casting spoiler: ToJ is likely happening next year in GoT It should help to confirm what happened. Just like the whole Jon-never-got-stabbed denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think Howland saw the child's future. Something important enough for Arthur Dayne, Ned and Howland to conspire to hide the child's identity. It is a lot of speculation but most theories are: Dawn being Lightbringer and the Daynes being the guardians of it; Howland Reed is a greenseer and knows how important the child is, possibly TPTWP/AA. Ned bringing Dawn to Ashara to further their plot. The ToJ being torn down and graves built to also further the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cladinator Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think Howland saw the child's future. Something important enough for Arthur Dayne, Ned and Howland to conspire to hide the child's identity. It is a lot of speculation but most theories are: Dawn being Lightbringer and the Daynes being the guardians of it; Howland Reed is a greenseer and knows how important the child is, possibly TPTWP/AA. Ned bringing Dawn to Ashara to further their plot. The ToJ being torn down and graves built to also further the plot. That might actually be a refreshing turn of the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf's Bane Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 A net, an arrow, a poisoned dart from a blowgun. Howland could have used any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crippledtank Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Is the consensus here that Howland used some sort of Crannog magic to either distract or injure Arthur Dayne prior to Ned finishing him off? Or simply that Ned & Howland fought 2v1 and Ned would have been hopeless in single combat? I saw a wonderful post a couple years ago by maidenandwarrior that theorized Howland saved Ned with words, having possibly been in a romantic relationship with Ashara - all very interesting. But if that were the case, what the hell is Arthur up to now? Could be a simple knife to the back or some magicOne thing I love is how it was "ice" Other vs "dawn" NW and one would have won except a crannogman (possible COTF offspring) intervened just like in the long night except ice and dawn reverse places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Answer Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Could be a simple knife to the back or some magicOne thing I love is how it was "ice" Other vs "dawn" NW and one would have won except a crannogman (possible COTF offspring) intervened just like in the long night except ice and dawn reverse places Haha very cool, nice catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think GRRM gave us the key right here in Bran's chapter where Meera nets Summer. "I never knew anyone who fought with a net before," he told Meera while he scratched the direwolf between the ears. "Did your master-at-arms teach you net-fighting?" "My father taught me." That, plus a hint in Barristan's PoV, how a whip, seemingly useless against a knight, is very effective for immobilizing the opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy of the Godswood Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Howland could have been using a trident (Which we know for a fact crannogmen use), and intercepted Arthur's kill blow meant for Ned. Dawn would have gotten stuck in one of the trident forks and given Ned enough time to finish AD off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Hightower Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I think Howland saw the child's future. Something important enough for Arthur Dayne, Ned and Howland to conspire to hide the child's identity. It is a lot of speculation but most theories are: Dawn being Lightbringer and the Daynes being the guardians of it; Howland Reed is a greenseer and knows how important the child is, possibly TPTWP/AA. Ned bringing Dawn to Ashara to further their plot. The ToJ being torn down and graves built to also further the plot. Hmm interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if "Lightbringer" are in House Dayne's words. Guardians of Light, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Howland Reed threw a frog at Dayne's face. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Yea I think a net is most likely or like an arrow or maybe a poisoned dart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename: Nymeria Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 There's not really any clear evidence that Ned and Arthur were fighting sword to sword, is there? There were ten people in the battle in all. Maybe Arthur took a swing at Ned while Ned was still concentrating on another KG member, and Howland deflected the blow and/or kept Arthur busy until Ned could engage him. Agree it wouldn't be something tricky, because Ned "knows the value of Howland Reed", and he wouldn't talk that way about someone he didn't consider honorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ygrain Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Howland Reed threw a frog at Dayne's face. It is known. Bless you for keeping the joke alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppa Chase Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 My opinion is that Dayne was mortally wounded from scrapping with these guys. Him and Ned are facing eachother down when Howland asks Dayne what he is fighting for. He says the living because he knows of crazy prophecies that Rhaegar is aware of. Howland says that he can't do it if he's dead. So Arthur makes a deal with Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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