aaronz Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 "Night gathers, and now my watch begins, it shall not end until my death" My question is with Jon dieing & being reborn will relieve him of his duty to the Nights watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronz Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 someone reply please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 This subforum is for topics concerning the wiki; your question is appropriate for the general subforum. You could ask an administrator to move the topic to the other subforum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronz Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 This subforum is for topics concerning the wiki; your question is appropriate for the general subforum. You could ask an administrator to move the topic to the other subforum. oh ty kind sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Well the vow seem to indicate he doesn't necessary has to be a brother since he died. But knowing Jon's personality he'd not consider his Watch Ended, just because he went and died for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir popelor Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 He deserted still, so... yeah, the Night's Watch will still be pretty angry at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 He deserted still, so... yeah, the Night's Watch will still be pretty angry at him That depend on who's in charge of the Watch when he returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saer Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 On the one hand, it shall not end until my death. On the other, for this night and all the nights to come.Ultimately, it depends on Jon. I don't think he'll suddenly abandon the defense of the living against the dead. But he may or may not continue within the structure of the Night's Watch. It also depends on how much of the Night's Watch is left when he comes back, of course. I get the feeling there's a bit of a bloodbath looming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby Fforde Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 It also depends on how much of the Night's Watch is left when he comes back, of course. I get the feeling there's a bit of a bloodbath looming.I was going to say something similar - I think a more pertinent question would be "Is there even going to be a Night's Watch if/when Jon returns?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 "Night gathers, and now my watch begins, it shall not end until my death" My question is with Jon dieing & being reborn will relieve him of his duty to the Nights watch? It depends. Did sleeping with Ygritte break his vows? He didn't take her as a wife after all (although she thinks he has stolen her). The non-existence of the Watch will probably release him. On the issue of returning from death, the rules have not been written so it is open to interpretation. There are no rules for highly anomalous events. Rules normally assume an underlying normalcy to how the world functions, not miraculous events. On these the book has not been written. Beyond that everyone seems to have their own opinion. Those who want Jon stuck to the Wall and never do anything beyond that generally find any and every possibility that may release him from those vows "lame." YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Legally; Yes. He died so he is free.Morally; Eff yes. He was the LC and they turned on him. If he is reborn they are traitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lointain Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 To me is, originally, a perpetual service; being clearly demonstrated by the story in wich some deserters are executed and entombed in the Wall itself, keeping their watch forever.And ending someone watch with death, doesn't necessaraly means that person is no more part of the NW, only means that person can rest now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joan Jett Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 He's going to be the 1,000th lord commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBrightflameII Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Well if i was Jon and find myself stabbed to death by my own men for being the best man i could be and for being honorable and find myself given a new chance on life my response would be "F*ck. No." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebourget Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 I foresee the 999th LC will see the NW eradicated by the Others. I think when Jon returns there will be no NW for him to return to but rather he will be the one to reform the NW from the many knights of the realm. I expect the new NW to be a brotherhood of 13 warriors to command their own forces against the Others. In this sense Jon will be both the 1000th and the 1st of a new series of LC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I don't think Jon is the kind of guy to give up on his vows because of a technicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khal Who Rode West Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 "Night gathers, and now my watch begins, it shall not end until my death" My question is with Jon dieing & being reborn will relieve him of his duty to the Nights watch?NoI pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to comeThe vow does not end in death. It's a vow for forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I don't think Jon is the kind of guy to give up on his vows because of a technicality. :agree: However, he was pretty set on marching on Winterfell. I think he will want to get involved with the politics of the realm. Hell, with the Others on their way, he needs to get involved with the politics of the realm and that might prove difficult with his 'brothers' sticking their noses in the air like, "REMEMBER YOUR DAMN VOWS, YOU TRAITOR!" Either the NW bands together with him or he ditches them. However, I do like the theory that the NW is Lightbringer and the 'boy' was the 998th Lord Commander (Jon Snow), the 999th Lord Commander will see the Wall fall and the 'man' will be Azor Ahai (Jon Targaryen) who restores what remains of the NW to their original purpose and he will lead them during the Battle for the Dawn as the 1000th Lord Commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaleesiPhD Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 "And now his watch is ended" -- Brothers and LC Mormont, SOS, Samwell II NW pledge their lives to the watch, but afterwards I think when they believe someone has died, they are "released" from their vows. So, Jon wargs into Ghost, Mel or someone does some funky bloodmagic later on, he returns to his body after being presumed dead and is no longer bond by his vows.This of course assumes that they don't burn his body... My guess is that utter chaos breaks out after his very public stabbing, but who knows what happens to his body afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~DarkHorse~ Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 NoThe vow does not end in death. It's a vow for forever. It really depends on how you interpret the vow. "...this night and all nights to come..." is pretty clear but the vow is not taking resurrection into consideration here. It assumes 'all nights to come' until you die. If Jon dies and is reborn (especially if he goes through a significant change) then his vow will have ended in that life. The life in which his brothers 'relieved him' of his duty. Jon Snow took that Vow, not Jon Targryen. The Vow was binding, yet born from a lie. If he wants to remain part of the NW then he should retake the Vow, knowing what he is giving up this time. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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