Seaworth'sShipmate Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 What do you all think of show Ramsay? As brutal and cruel as he is, I believe he is actually toned down from how he is in the books. They don't really show the "Bastard's boys" or the full extent of his "hunting." Im not sure what I think of D+D trying to make him "cool" and "funny" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Bastard Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Couldn't agree more. Nothing against Iwan Rheon, he's doing the best he can and is a good actor, but he was clearly miscast. And yes, they have clearly toned down Ramsey in the HBO adaptation, and Benioff and Weiss are definitely trying to make him cool and funny.Ramsey is not a charming pretty boy. He is a vicious, ugly ogre, who is completely unstable and always on the verge of completely snapping, as he often has that spittle around his big ugly lips.Instead, and typical of Benioff and Weiss, they had to sex it up with the ludicrous Myranda with a hip Ramsey.Benioff + Weiss = :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 I like Iwan Rheaon, and think he is enjoyable to watch. Im just really sure that Ramsey Bolton doesn't look or act like Iwan Rheon. This is fan art, but it was exactly my image of what Ramsey and a Reeked Theon looked like: https://img0.etsystatic.com/051/0/5720622/il_570xN.718162956_etjj.jpg I understand trying to make him cool and funny. There is absolutely nothing redeemable about him in the books, so they try to make him at least likable, if not moral. Btw, Theon doesn't look that much worse off than before. I always imagined he would look like a holocaust survivor, but he just looks like a slightly slimmer Alfie Allen. It would be interesting to see how HBO would have done Ramsey and the Bastard's boys on horseback hunting a naked woman on through the forest, and treating her according to the "sport" she provided. But I doubt even HBO could get away with it. Idk, Iwan is charming and funny, but a bit more boyish than how Id imagine Ramsey would look like. Too much "Elijah Wood." Like the pic, I always pictured Ramsay as a big, broad shouldered person, with long black hair and a puffy, brutal ugly face. Also much more of an angry, brutal ogreish way about him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 The cool likable villain is such a Hollywood cliché that of course D&D were going to try their hand at it. And when its done well, its a lot of fun, but Ramsay isn't done well and cliché makes it hard to believe what you're seeing. Handsome or not, Ramsay should be someone you hate to hate, someone who makes you're skin crawl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 The cool likable villain is such a Hollywood cliché that of course D&D were going to try their hand at it. And when its done well, its a lot of fun, but Ramsay isn't done well and cliché makes it hard to believe what you're seeing. Handsome or not, Ramsay should be someone you hate to hate, someone who makes you're skin crawl. He is for a lot of people. Sure some girls think he's attractive, but the general consensus is that he is kind of a funny but hideous/loathsome person, one of the worst in the series. For the record, the actor for Roose isn't exactly how I imagined him, but his voice, acting and persona I feel really does the character justice, and is better than I imagined him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James of the Blackwater Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 D&D love Ramsay, him and 20 super dudes were able to sneak into Stannis's camp and pretty much decimate them...pretty sure D&D are going to send Ramsay Ahai and 20 good men to the Land of Always Winter to wipe out the WW's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 D&D love Ramsay, him and 20 super dudes were able to sneak into Stannis's camp and pretty much decimate them...pretty sure D&D are going to send Ramsay Ahai and 20 good men to the Land of Always Winter to wipe out the WW's. Where he fights shirtless with two swords right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James of the Blackwater Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Where he fights shirtless with two swords right? you got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Don't forget Karl Tanner, that guy cleaned Jon's clock with a couple of knives and no formal training versus a valyrian steel sword. Put some valyrian steel in the hands of Ramsay Bolton and Karl Tanner and watch how fast the Others decide its time for another thousand year nap. D&D love their sadistic rapists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbySmythe Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I actually prefer Show Ramsay, just because he's been toned down. Book Ramsay is too much for me to handle. Every time he appears on page, I want to rip his head off. In the show, you can always count on him to make some ridiculous remark. He's much more entertaining that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I hate both versions for different reasons. Book!Ramsay is ridiculous and over the top ("I'm gonna cut off her teats and make a pair of boots out of them", "I'm gonna fry her skin and make her eat it". Ugh, whatever Ramsay, just shut the fuck up). I just can't take him seriously and is a horrible try hard cartoon.Show!Ramsay annoys me because of how D&D try to cram him down our throats and put him in the limelight and make him invincible, but the little Ben Wishaw-like voice that Iwan Rheon affects doesn't help either. It makes him even more annoying and he looks like a deranged Hobbit in a sugar high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Kniggit Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Book Ramsay would probably lose to the the first Ironborn or Baratheon Man-at-arms he comes across. Show Ramsay is apparently a ridiculous Marty Sue villain that could take on whole armies with 20 "good" men and shirtless. Personally I like Book Ramsay much more than Show Ramsay, I'll repeat that again I LIKE BOOK RAMSAY MORE THAN SHOW RAMSAY! Great job D&D, you accomplished what I thought was impossible !!! :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehandwipes Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I hate both versions for different reasons.Book!Ramsay is ridiculous and over the top ("I'm gonna cut off her teats and make a pair of boots out of them", "I'm gonna fry her skin and make her eat it". Ugh, whatever Ramsay, just shut the fuck up). I just can't take him seriously and is a horrible try hard cartoon.Show!Ramsay annoys me because of how D&D try to cram him down our throats and put him in the limelight and make him invincible, but the little Ben Wishaw-like voice that Iwan Rheon affects doesn't help either. It makes him even more annoying and he looks like a deranged Hobbit in a sugar high. I liked the scenes he had with Roose in Season 4. They should have kept him a vicious monster trying to behave himself in front of his father, and not give him all of Theon's story. Or make him a super-villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 He's a lot uglier in the book and he's like the devil on Theon's shoulder. In the show they don't depict how he persuades Theon to kill those farmboys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adaneth Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I understand trying to make him cool and funny. There is absolutely nothing redeemable about him in the books, so they try to make him at least likable, if not moral. In all honesty I find nothing funny, let alone cool in TV series Ramsay either. They may've toned down not to make people have nightmares every week. There will always be sick minds who might find Ramsay funny, in both books or tv show. I read yesterday that The Mountain as well have fans. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 What amazes me is how D&D seem to love a guy Ramsey but according to them Stannis is a "monster" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adaneth Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 What amazes me is how D&D seem to love a guy Ramsey but according to them Stannis is a "monster" Did they say Ramsey is a good person or simpatico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I liked the scenes he had with Roose in Season 4. They should have kept him a vicious monster trying to behave himself in front of his father, and not give him all of Theon's story. Or make him a super-villain.Yeah, I guess he had some decent scenes in S4, before he became the star of the Winterfell storyline. Actually, yeah, the only time I ever truly liked any incarnation of Ramsay was precisely that super short moment when he met Fat Walda and was all, "Hello, mother". I think him trying to look courteous (and normal) was hilarious because you just know there's a violent psycho underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis is the man....nis Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Did they say Ramsey is a good person or simpatico? No but they have never really ripped on him either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Kniggit Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 No but they have never really ripped on him either To be fair, if they showed even half the shit book Ramsay does, then HBO is going to get sued or shutdown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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