The unDornishman's Wife

[Daendrew]

The Night’s Queen.... Is The unDornishman's Wife?

In our previous post we explored how dragons come from their opposites.

From petrified stone eggs came fire dragons.
From a pool of water comes the ice dragon.
And from The Wall of ice comes the sea dragon.

It doesn't end there. The Night's Queen, the Queen of Winter is found not in the cold, but in the desert.

This is the story of Night's Queen Nymeria and her 10,000 fins... The feet and fins of 10,000 Deep Ones under her command (Sea Others are a rough metaphor for them).

The sigil of House Martell is very subtly misleading.

The arms of House Martell display the sun and spear, the Dornishmans two favored weapons, the Young Dragon had once written in his boastful Conquest of Dorne, but of the two, the sun is the more deadly.

-A Feast for Crows The Queenmaker

Of the two the sun is most dead. They put a spear through it (link to the outside blog with image). Their sigil is a spear that killed the sun and brings the Long Night completely hidden in plain sight.
There is a reason Doran Martell is playing a really convoluted game of thrones that nobody can understand. The reason is simple, he isnt playing the game of thrones, he is playing the song of ice and ice.

Doran is playing a longer game than any living man has ever played.

All of this puts an entirely new spin on my The Dornishmans Wife analysis, which I was the first to see as beyond horrible. Now I see it as unhistorically new heights of awful. The Nights Queen was the Dornishmans wife. That was what the song is about and that is why there were wights and Others in Dorne!

Nights Queen Nymeria was the Dornishmans wife and soon you will learn why Mance Rayder knew the words to the song. it is the same reason celebrities google their own names and that of their spouses.

In his initial outline GRRM wanted to make Arya and Jon a couple. In the very first pages of A Game of Thrones where we might still have planned that arc, Arya named her direwolf Nymeria. There is no doubt in my mind GRRM would have known from the beginning in this first pages that Jon would become Night's King when he started the series. There is a reason Arya named her wolf Nymeria.

It is said that the leaders of Dorne do not style themselves as kings but princes. That is because their kings and queens still unlive.

Nymeria is the Nights Queen. She stuck the sun with the pointy end of her spear.

GRRM would surely have known Jon would be Nights King from the very beginning and thus he would know who his Queen would be. It may have shifted to unMelissandre The Ice Priestess of Kings Landing, but it may be Brave Arya Stark, a story to truly make us not just weep as I thought initially, but to sob and heave.

it is very interesting that Dorans curiously away. Dornish leaders are all called princes because their true leaders are styled as the Nights King and Queen.

The Targaryens, including Jon all have Rhoynish blood. Thats why the dragons could not take Dorne by force. But only by marriage.The Nights Family wanted their blood intertwined with the blood of the dragon to bring about another Long Night.

That is why in Danys vision in the House of Undying she saw Rhaegar telling Elias son that his is the song of ice and fire. He is blood of the dragon she has blood of the ice.

We close with a line by line analysis of how the Rhoynar are described in The World of Ice and Fire:

It was said the Mother Rhoyne herself whispered to her children of every threat, that the
Rhoynar princes wielded strange, uncanny powers, that Rhoynish women fought as fiercely as Rhoynish men, and that their cities were protected bywatery walls that would rise to drown any foe.

The Wall and The Five Forts were probably once watery walls too. Just add cold and voila!

Its easier than Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Just get a your local dragonqueen to sound this horn and then you can set it and forget it.

Cities and towns were burned, drowned, and rebuilt. Thousands were killed or enslaved.

You will see enslaved mentioned many times. That is code for wighted. Others and wights are killed by water. In future posts we will discuss how and why water kills Others. The Others have never taken ships or swum around the Wall. For now just give me the benefit of the doubt that it is not just fire but water that can melt ice.

Nymeria didnt have a fleet of 10,000 she had undead feet numbering greater than 10,000

At Selhorys [Rhoynish Prince Prince Garin] won his first battle, overwhelming a Valyrian army thirty thousand strong and taking the city by storm. Valysar met the same fate. At Volon Therys, Garin found himself facing a hundred thousand foes, a hundred war elephants, and three dragonlords. Here too he prevailed, though at great cost. Thousands burned, but thousands more sheltered in the shallows of the river,whilst their wizards raised enormous waterspouts against the foes dragons.

Volantenes retreated back behind their Black Walls

This will be a very important line about the Black Walls that we will explore in a future post titled Drowned In Heresy: The Ironborn Have The One True Faith. The Others Are All Hodor.

Look at those numbers, 30,000 men. And on top of that then adding a hundred thousand more? This was a very very long time ago when the population of Planetos was not even small a fraction of what it is today, assuming our population statistics are anything like Planetos. Essos still has a greater population than Westeros but still these numbers are astonishing and keep getting bigger. They seem to be approaching levels of every able bodied man and boy marching to war. This is not a war over some river, this is the war for the dawn.

The waterspouts in question are icespouts. There seem to be real water-people that we now consider Oprhans of the Greenblood, mentioned soon and then Wights and Others. If the Others controlled undead water wizards they could then turn those rivers into ice even before the Long Night comet hit.

The next passage has the bigger clue that this was not a real estate dispute over a river.

And the dragons came. Not three, as Prince Garin had faced at Volon Therys, but three hundred or more, if the tales that have come down to us can be believed. Against their fires, the Rhoynar could not stand. Tens of thousands burned whilst others rushed into the river, hoping that the embrace of Mother Rhoyne would offer them protection against dragonflame only to drown in their mothers embrace. Some chroniclers insist that the fires burned so hot that the very waters of the river boiled and turned to steam.

Three hundred or more dragons? Can you imagine what that would be like? No other conflict in TWOIAF comes close to this besides the Long Night. It points to every single dragon large enough to fly was called in.

Even more importantly is that the Rhoynish forces first died by fire and then they tried to go into the river but they drowned in their Mothers embrace.

It is not by chance that they call Daenerys not only Mhysa but Mother of Dragons. Mother Rhoyne is also a euphamism for Queen Nymeria. When we get to the Orphans of The Greenblood it is even more important. Nymeria orphaned them and abandoned what they stood for.

At Chroyane, the cage was hung from the walls, so that the prince might witness the enslavement of the women and children whose fathers and brothers had died in his gallant, hopeless war but the prince, it is said, called down a curse upon the conquerors, entreating Mother Rhoyne to avenge her children. And so, that very night, the Rhoyne flooded out of season and with greater force than was known in living memory.

He sounded the Hammerhorn of The Waters that caused the red comet to strike the moon or planetos directly to cause the Long Night where

A thick fog full of evil humors fell, and the Valyrian conquerors began to die of greyscale.

I wouldn't doubt greyscale was also a pandemic in this Long Night. But in the first part of the sentence GRRM is telling us that his curse brought a thick fog of evil. That is the dust blocking the sun causing the Long Night.

(There is, at least, this much truth to the tale: in later centuries, Lomas Longstrider wrote of the drowned ruins of Chroyane, its foul fogs and waters, and the fact that wayward travelers infected with greyscale now haunt the ruinsa hazard for those who travel the river beneath the broken span of the Bridge of Dream.)

This is classic GRRM, he tells us something very important then he smacks us with a noise, or tells us something horrible like a greyscale epidemic so we do not think about the comments of a fog of evil which he later repeats and calls a foul fog. Greyscale is transmitted by touch, it has never been described as being transmitted by fog. It is a red herring.

When the war turned badley GRRM had very interesing turn of phrase about how Nymeria came to Dorne:

Down the river Nymeria led this ragged fleet, past ruined and smoking towns and fields of the dead, through waters choked with bloated, floating corpses. To avoid Volantis and its hosts, she chose the older channel and emerged into the Summer Sea where once Sarhoy had stood

The older channel, you don't say? Like the Arm of Dorne before the comet/earthquake broke it. Nymerias fleet were wight feet. They walked to Dorne. No ships were necessary because the older channel is the landbridge that physically connected Westeros and Essos.

Once the Hammerhorn of The Waters was sounded that broke the Arm of Dorne and THAT is what burned 10,000″ ships when the comet hit and tsunamis came about.

The remainder of the fleet limped across the Summer Sea to the Basilisk Isles, where they paused to take on fresh water and provisions, only to fall afoul of the corsair kings of Ax Isle, Talon, and the Howling Mountain, who put aside their own quarrels long enough to descend upon the Rhoynar with fire and sword, putting twoscore ships to the torch and carrying off hundreds into slavery.

Bingo! Bingo! Ships dont limp across anything. Ice zombies do though. Again the Rhoynar are attacked by fire. I see a trend. And.. swords. Black swords I am sure. And constant discussion of slavery. That is code for the unRhoynar wighting the enemies.

The young and very old proved especially vulnerable to such contagions.
Even to splash in the river was to court death, for the Zamoyos was infested with schools of carnivorous fish, and tiny worms that laid their eggs in the flesh of swimmers.

This seems like a throw away jungle line but it is extraordinarily important. The carniverous fish are the Deep Ones, the enemy of the Others, which the Rhoynar seem to be. More on that in a future post.

The battered, tattered remainder of the ten thousand ships sailed west with Princess Nymeria. Thistime she made for Westeros. After so much wandering, her ships were even less seaworthy than when they had first departed Mother Rhoyne. The fleet did not arrive in Dorne complete. Even now there are isolated pockets of Rhoynar on the Stepstones, claiming descent from those who were shipwrecked. Other ships, blown off course by storms, made for Lys or Tyrosh, giving themselves up to slavery in preference to a watery grave. The remaining ships made landfall on the coast of Dorne near the mouth of the river Greenblood, not far from the ancient sandstone walls of The Sandship, seat of House Martell.

Ships do not wander and you cannot make zombies killed by water possibly any less seaworthy than you tried. Again a mention of watery graves that kill Others and wights. And at last the seat of House Martell, The Sandship. It is in the desert, there are no ships in Sunspear, you need to leave to go to the plankytown to get ships. But they have sand lots and lots of sand.

Dornish lords viewed the Rhoynar as unwelcome interlopers, invaders with queer foreign ways and strange gods, who should be driven back into the sea whence theyd come. But Mors Martell, the Lord of the Sandship, saw in the newcomers an opportunity and if the singers can be believed, his lordship also lost his heart to Nymeria, the fierce and beautiful warrior queen who had led her people across the world to keep them free.

Whats up with all this dying in the sea people? The Rhoynar are of the river. They should know how to swim.

Lets compare the above quote to this passage from a Storm of Swords when Bran talked about the Nights King.

she said; a warrior who knew no fear. And that was the fault in him, she would add, for all men must know fear. A woman was his downfall; a woman glimpsed from atop the Wall, with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars. Fearing nothing, he chased her and caught her and loved her, though her skin was cold as ice, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.

unLadies and unGentlemen, you are coordially invited to The IceWedding:

When Mors Martell took Nymeria to wife..[their] unions enriched and strengthened House Martell and its Dornish allies. The Rhoynar brought considerable wealth with them; their artisans, metalworkers, and stonemasons brought skills far in advance of those achieved by their Westerosi counterparts, and their armorers were soon producing swords and spears and suits of scale and plate no Westerosi smith could hope to match. Even more crucially, it is said the Rhoynish water witches knew secret spells that made dry streams flow again and deserts bloom.

Gendry could never dream of making armor made out of ice, forget Icyirian steel greatswords. No Westerosi could ever hope to match that.

To celebrate these unions, and make certain her people could not again retreat to the sea, Nymeria burned the Rhoynish ships. Our wanderings are at an end, she declared. We have found a new home, and here we shall live and die.

It seems after she arrived in Dorne and married Mors Martell, only then was the Hammerhorn of The Waters sounded.

The sea is dark and full of terrors, bla bla bla. Stop drowning already people. I mean, seriously? Whats wrong with retreating to the sea for river people? That is your mothers milk.

(Some of the Rhoynar mourned the loss of the ships, and rather than embracing their new land, they took to plying the waters of the Greenblood, finding it a pale shadow of Mother Rhoyne, whom they continued to worship. They still exist to this day, known as the orphans of the Greenblood).

Here Nymeria via the euphemism for Mother Rhoyne is called a Pale Shadow. Pale shadow like skin as white as the moon? That kind of pale shadow? She should get out into the sun more often I think. I think the real human Rhoynar were somewhat similar to the Ironborn.

The Orphans of The Greenblood truly live on water, so they do not die by it like wights and Others probably do. They are like Essosi Ironborn. Now lets look at the word orphan, their Mother Rhoyne, mother Nymeria married into House Martell and she now lives on land in a Sandship. If your mother married another man who lives in a neighborhood with her new husband that you don't like what does that make you? A stepchild.

But if she abandoned you and everything you once believed in and became the anti-Christ that's disowning, That is being an orphan of sorts. She is no longer your mother and you live on boats in case mama comes back because mama and her friends want to kill you but don't know how to swim.

Now Nymerias love life is more troubling than her giving her kids up to a watery orphanage. This paragraph has some of the biggest clues as to what will happen in both the coming Long Night that we have ever gotten:

For nine years Mors Martell and his allies (amongst them House Fowler of Skyreach, House Toland of Ghost Hill, House Dayne of Starfall, and House Uller of the Hellholt) struggled against Yronwood and his bannermen (the Jordaynes of the Tor, the Wyls of the Stone Way, together with the Blackmonts, the Qorgyles, and many more), in battles too numerous to mention. When Mors Martell fell to Yorick Yronwoods sword in the Third Battle of the Boneway, Princess Nymeria assumed sole command of his armies.Two more years of battle were required, but in the end it was Nymeria that Yorick Yronwood bent the knee to, and Nymeria who ruled thereafter from Sunspear.

Though she married twice more (first to the aged Lord Uller of Hellholt, and later to the dashing Ser Davos Dayne of Starfall, the Sword of the Morning), Nymeria herself remained the unquestioned ruler of Dorne for almost twenty-seven years, her husbands serving only as counselors and consorts. She survived a dozen attempts upon her life, put down two rebellions, and threw back two invasions by the Storm King Durran the Third and one by King Greydon of the Reach. When at last she died, it was the eldest of her four daughters by Mors Martell who succeeded her, not her son by Davos Dayne, for by then the Dornish had come to adopt many of the laws and customs of the Rhoynar, though the memories of Mother Rhoyne and the ten thousand ships were fading into legend

This looks very scary for Davos Seaworth, House Dayne and all of Planetos. All of her husbands were wighted or Othered and she had children with them. It seems the heirs to House Dayne did too and Davos is mentioned twice, that's two many times for comfort in that paragraph.

All unhail her unGrace, Nymeria of House Martell, Queen of Darkness, Empress of Winter, Mother to Wights and Admiral of 10,000 Fins.

[Piccolo_Snow]

You will see enslaved mentioned many times. That is code for wighted. Others and wights are killed by water. In future posts we will discuss how and why water kills Others. The Others have never taken ships or swum around the Wall. For now just give me the benefit of the doubt that it is not just fire but water that can melt ice.

that is a pretty broad statement, by that logic any person the books who has been enslaved is a wight and or an other, and from what i remember reading not to many wights and or others in slavers bay.

[Daendrew]

You will see enslaved mentioned many times. That is code for wighted. Others and wights are killed by water. In future posts we will discuss how and why water kills Others. The Others have never taken ships or swum around the Wall. For now just give me the benefit of the doubt that it is not just fire but water that can melt ice.

that is a pretty broad statement, by that logic any person the books who has been enslaved is a wight and or an other, and from what i remember reading not to many wights and or others in slavers bay.

This will become much more prominent when the Deep Ones associated with the Ironborn that probably have thralldom battle with The Others. It will be a game changer once Euron is killed. That post is in the works.

The Others have slavery for the wights lasting eternity. The wights have no say in the actions of bodies. But children of thralls are free.

[Piccolo_Snow]

The remainder of the fleet limped across the Summer Sea to the Basilisk Isles, where they paused to take on fresh water and provisions, only to fall afoul of the corsair kings of Ax Isle, Talon, and the Howling Mountain, who put aside their own quarrels long enough to descend upon the Rhoynar with fire and sword, putting twoscore ships to the torch and carrying off hundreds into slavery.

Bingo! Bingo! Ships dont limp across anything. Ice zombies do though. Again the Rhoynar are attacked by fire. I see a trend. And.. swords. Black swords I am sure. And constant discussion of slavery. That is code for the unRhoynar wighting the enemies.

the fleet did limp across the sea, its a figure of speech nothing more, and them taking hundreds into slavery is as simple as that nothing more.

[Daendrew]

The remainder of the fleet limped across the Summer Sea to the Basilisk Isles, where they paused to take on fresh water and provisions, only to fall afoul of the corsair kings of Ax Isle, Talon, and the Howling Mountain, who put aside their own quarrels long enough to descend upon the Rhoynar with fire and sword, putting twoscore ships to the torch and carrying off hundreds into slavery.

Bingo! Bingo! Ships dont limp across anything. Ice zombies do though. Again the Rhoynar are attacked by fire. I see a trend. And.. swords. Black swords I am sure. And constant discussion of slavery. That is code for the unRhoynar wighting the enemies.

the fleet did limp across the sea, its a figure of speech nothing more, and them taking hundreds into slavery is as simple as that nothing more.

This is a work of art and people interpret it differently. All I will say is he chooses words very carefully. You will find not a single "other" ship limping in the entire series.

[Ruby Fforde]

ADWD Davos I:"Salladhor Saan complained to Davos, as the remnants of his fleet limped across the Bite."

[Piccolo_Snow]

"Salladhor the Beggar, that's what your king has made me," Salladhor Saan complained to Davos, as the remnants of his fleet limped across the Bite. "Salladhor the Smashed. Where are my ships? And my gold, where is all the gold that I was promised?" When Davos had tried to assure him that he would have his payment, Salla had erupted. "When, when? On the morrow, on the new moon, when the red comet comes again? He is promising me gold and gems, always promising, but this gold I have not seen. I have his word, he is saying, oh yes, his royal word, he writes it down. Can Salladhor Saan eat the king's word? Can he quench his thirst with parchments and waxy seals? Can he tumble promises into a feather bed and fuck them till they squeal?"

[Piccolo_Snow]

also there is not one mention of a wight and or other limping and you saying ice zombies limp is your assumption that their are in fact typical type zombies from other medium.

[Daendrew]

Then I stand corrected :)

It also could be another way to give Nymeria literary cover for the reveal of he does do it.

I just googled it, apparently it is a common military phrase. I've never heard it.

[Piccolo_Snow]

He sounded the Hammerhorn of The Waters that caused the red comet to strike the moon or planetos directly to cause the Long Night where

there is nothing in the text what so ever that says and or points to an actual horn called hammerhorn at all

[Daendrew]

He sounded the Hammerhorn of The Waters that caused the red comet to strike the moon or planetos directly to cause the Long Night where

there is nothing in the text what so ever that says and or points to an actual horn called hammerhorn at all

Read my post called The Hammerhorn of The Waters. Link in signature.

[Piccolo_Snow]

Read my post called The Hammerhorn of The Waters. Link in signature.

im good, because I go by the factual evidence in the text, and there is no mention of a horn called hammerhorn

the others appeared during the long night and havent been seen for 8,000 years prior to asoiaf and yet according to what you wrote would mean a hefty number of them 7,300 years after they were defeated. If therer had been any number of others and or wights during the time nymerias journey to dorne then we would have heard about it. at least do some actual research IE timeline, and factual evidence so that your stuff would be more realistic.

[A Bastard Snow]

Um are you saying the Red Comet hit planetos...then somehow reformed itself then somehow flew back into the sky.Also..no one ever states that the moon is in any way missing any parts.

[Bael's Bastard]

Another terrible thread we can probably thank the SearchOIAF for.

[Piccolo_Snow]

Another terrible thread we can probably thank the SearchOIAF for.

funny thing is if that was actually used, he probably would have got the facts and not been able to come up with this thread.because using the search of asoiaf is where i have found all evidence that goes against his topic.

[Winterbowl]

Good catch on the Martell sigil and I think you could be on to something here. One of the problems with your theories though is you tend to contradict yourself, even in the same article. Like in this one you're saying that the Long Night fell at two different times. Very fascinating and keep up the good work.

[Piccolo_Snow]

The Martells of old used a spear as their emblem, while Nymeria and her Rhoynar used the sun as theirs. When Nymeria wed Lord Mors Martell, the symbols were combined into a gold spear piercing a red sun on an orange field

[A Bastard Snow]

The Martells of old used a spear as their emblem, while Nymeria and her Rhoynar used the sun as theirs. When Nymeria wed Lord Mors Martell, the symbols were combined into a gold spear piercing a red sun on an orange field

Get your logic the hell out of here

[Piccolo_Snow]

Get your logic the hell out of here

that made me laugh so hard i about spit tea everywhere.

[Daendrew]

Good catch on the Martell sigil and I think you could be on to something here. One of the problems with your theories though is you tend to contradict yourself, even in the same article. Like in this one you're saying that the Long Night fell at two different times. Very fascinating and keep up the good work.

Thank you :) That's not a typo. (Depending what you are talking about) The Long Night is not a one time deal. It is a cyclical pattern. In Hinduism they have the concept of a kalpa a period of billions of years coming then going then coming again. I touched upon it in some of my threads and do it in a big way in my next post on the Night's King. We have met him.

In the canon series.

He has confirmed major theories.

It's an enormous post. Need time to finish it up but time is tight now. The extended version is 50 pages. But 50 pages like the above some bolded lines and a couple lines as to what I think it points to. Not 50 pages of my words.

It takes much more time to write a short paper than a long, and do it well.