Municipal Engines Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Daenerys is pretty keen on taking the Seven Kingdoms. At first she had a romantic vision of a virtually bloodless invasion where the smallfolk and houses rose up against the usurper. Then as she gained more experience with ruling and the world and as she was advised by Jorah and Barristan and others, she realised that her invasion would be a bloody thing indeed. Still she is adamant on returning "home" and reestablishing Targaryen rule in Westeros. This is a view she maintains even though she believes she is barren and even though home for her is the house with the red door in Braavos. So is it just vengeance she desires? Does she feel an obligation to her ancestors and supporters? Is it because she was told this goal, this desire, this destiny since she was a baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Freddy Blackfyre Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Is her birthright and vengeance would be good even if almost all the usurper's dogs are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Conscious goal: to reclaim her family's birthright. To do her duty for House Targaryen. To never attempt this would be failure, defeat. Unconscious goal: to settle down and live out a "normal" life with no pressure to avenge and/or seek justice for the past. No overwhelming responsibility to be queen, the last Targaryen, and blood of the dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 What they said. Anyone who wants to sit the throne is batshit crazy as far as I am concerned though. Horrible occupation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrewal Halfaxe Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It is her... duty Hue hue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 The Targaryens ruled Westeros for nearly 300 years so Dany sees it as her duty to reclaim her family's legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calo760 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 For Dany, she sees Westeros as her home that was stolen from her, along with her entire family line decimated and her and her only living kin, her brother, forced into exile to live as beggars. She sees the Baratheons and Lannisters and all those who fought against her family as murders and she definitely wants vengeance and she wants justice. Justice for her is returning home and claiming her birthright, as the Targaryens ruled Westeros for over 240 years. I think her position was set up by big time players in Essos, including Varys and Illyrio Mopatis. I think they were given a huge opportunity in using the last two living Targaryens as pawns in their own game of thrones. Illyrio gave them hospitality for years, and when the time was right, found her a suitable husband; a king. He knew Viserys was a big mouthed asshole and that Dothraki don't take any shit, nor would they ever see him as a king over Drogo. Illyrio also gave her the dragon eggs, and probably knew damn well that they would hatch (maybe he believed she would be the Last Hero, Azor Ahai, who will raise dragons from stone) I think they set things up to get the ball rolling in the direction they favor. Whatever motive they have for getting a Targaryen on the throne will be incredibly profitable for them, and well worth the chaos. Varys and Illyrio are also conspiring in the dungeons of the Red Keep (while Arya is eves dropping).“Delay you say. Make haste, I reply. Even the finest juggler cannot keep a hundred balls in the air forever.”“You are more than a juggler, old friend. You are a true sorcerer. All I ask is that you work your magic awhile longer.” Also, all just theories, maybe Varys is a liar and doesn't hate magic, but is all about it. Maybe Illyrio castrated him? Or they could secretly serve R'hllor. Maybe Melisandre is in cahoots with Varys and Illyrio and is just using Stannis to set him up for destruction, or to create a union between him and Danaerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bold Wolf Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 For Dany, she sees Westeros as her home that was stolen from her, along with her entire family line decimated and her and her only living kin, her brother, forced into exile to live as beggars. She sees the Baratheons and Lannisters and all those who fought against her family as murders and she definitely wants vengeance and she wants justice. Justice for her is returning home and claiming her birthright, as the Targaryens ruled Westeros for over 240 years. I think her position was set up by big time players in Essos, including Varys and Illyrio Mopatis. I think they were given a huge opportunity in using the last two living Targaryens as pawns in their own game of thrones. Illyrio gave them hospitality for years, and when the time was right, found her a suitable husband; a king. He knew Viserys was a big mouthed asshole and that Dothraki don't take any shit, nor would they ever see him as a king over Drogo. Illyrio also gave her the dragon eggs, and probably knew damn well that they would hatch (maybe he believed she would be the Last Hero, Azor Ahai, who will raise dragons from stone) I think they set things up to get the ball rolling in the direction they favor. Whatever motive they have for getting a Targaryen on the throne will be incredibly profitable for them, and well worth the chaos. Varys and Illyrio are also conspiring in the dungeons of the Red Keep (while Arya is eves dropping). “Delay you say. Make haste, I reply. Even the finest juggler cannot keep a hundred balls in the air forever.” “You are more than a juggler, old friend. You are a true sorcerer. All I ask is that you work your magic awhile longer.” Also, all just theories, maybe Varys is a liar and doesn't hate magic, but is all about it. Maybe Illyrio castrated him? Or they could secretly serve R'hllor. Maybe Melisandre is in cahoots with Varys and Illyrio and is just using Stannis to set him up for destruction, or to create a union between him and Danaerys. Didn't Illyrio and Varys grow up together on the streets, after Varys was cut? I think Varys does hate magic, but also if Stannis sits the Iron Throne, he would make the realm a batter place, something that Varys doesn't want, from Stannis at least. Thats why he killed Kevan at the end of aDwD. He needs chaos and terrible ruling, presumably be Cersei, to make a "Targaryen" rule wanted by the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bold Wolf Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Viserys raised Daenerys and filled her head with his view on the world. Although Danny isn't mad like her brother, she still has this warped view that the main players in Robert's Rebellion, were just mad dogs that murdered Rhaegar, his children, and her Father. She wants justice for her family and to restore the Targaryen's to their "rightful place" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Entitlement. Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
averde Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Conscious goal: to reclaim her family's birthright. To do her duty for House Targaryen. To never attempt this would be failure, defeat. Unconscious goal: to settle down and live out a "normal" life with no pressure to avenge and/or seek justice for the past. No overwhelming responsibility to be queen, the last Targaryen, and blood of the dragon.This. It's who she is as the last Targaryen (who, regardless of if its true, thinks she cant have kids), she probably feels she has no choice it's her duty, and her personality also fits that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Viserys raised Daenerys and filled her head with his view on the world. Although Danny isn't mad like her brother, she still has this warped view that the main players in Robert's Rebellion, were just mad dogs that murdered Rhaegar, his children, and her Father. She wants justice for her family and to restore the Targaryen's to their "rightful place" That's exactly what happened though. Yes, Rhaegar died in battle, and the rebellion was justified, but Dany has every right to want vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimim Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 That's exactly what happened though. Yes, Rhaegar died in battle, and the rebellion was justified, but Dany has every right to want vengeance. Yes, she does, especially given what she's heard about it from Viserys. I think she's conflicted, though, or she would have landed in Westeros already. Not a fan of this character, but I feel for her. She's looking for a home, and KL and the Iron Throne are not her home. The one place where she felt at home was with the Dothraki, on the Sea. That's not Westeros. I think lemongate is ridiculous, but it would be sweet if her home with the red door really is in Dorne, and she finds it at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy of the Godswood Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I honestly think in the end she'll be content and attached with her kingdom in Essos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Because she is a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Because that's how she was raised. Left to her own devices she acts on her own desires - a quiet life, or being Queen in Meereen. But until she thinks things through she doesn't really know what she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I honestly think in the end she'll be content and attached with her kingdom in Essos. I'll never forget my first read of ASOS. I wanted Dany to stay in Meereen and never go to Westeros. The Red Wedding messed up so bad.The way I saw it, Dany had a throne, she had her dragons and a large army. She didn't need Westeros. Then I read ADWD. Because she is a villain. She is not. ಠ_ಠ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 She has been told so by Viserys since she was old enough to think and thinking for herself is not Daenerys' strong suit. Though notice how in DWD she starts to doubt her aspirations to sit on the uncomfortable chair, wondering if Wessteros really is her home vs. that house with the (blue?) door from her childhood. However from a reader's perspective Daenerys just staying in Essos, taking baths, having tedious audiences, oogling Daario and being upset her reforms for are rejected for ever and ever would be very VERY unsatisfying, so she better get going to conquer soon. Meereen was the death of Dany's story arc, as far as I'm concerned, absolutely unnecessary and absolutely tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Conscious goal: to reclaim her family's birthright. To do her duty for House Targaryen. To never attempt this would be failure, defeat. Unconscious goal: to settle down and live out a "normal" life with no pressure to avenge and/or seek justice for the past. No overwhelming responsibility to be queen, the last Targaryen, and blood of the dragon. The core of her struggle. What they said.Anyone who wants to sit the throne is batshit crazy as far as I am concerned though. Horrible occupation. Agreed. Because she is a villain. There isn't really a nice way to bring Fire and Blood to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khal drogon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It represents home and everything taken away from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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