Frey Kings Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 "...but the Tyrells were no more than stewards until Aegon the Dragon came along and cooked the rightful King of the Reach on the Field of Fire. If truth be told, even our claim to Highgarden is a bit dodgy, just as those dreadful Florents are always whining." - Lady Olenna Tyrells:- Lady Olenna is getting Old:- Lord of Highgarden Mace is a oaf.- The heir Willias is a cripple.- Loras is severely wounded.- Garlen is awarded Brightwater Keep. Perhapes doesn't sit nicely with the other lords with better claim?. He's busy fighting the Iron Islanders- Queen Margaery is butting heads with Cersei and having fun with the Faith Militants. Mace married a Hightower.Olenna is a RedwyneMace's brother-in-law is Paxter RedwyneMace's grandfather is a Acting Lord of Hightower. Which leaves Rendyll Tarly, and who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Mace isn't an oaf as some people think, Randyll will never betray him since he has much more to win with Mace than against him, the guy is his right hand, if someone betrays the Tyrells it is the Rowans and second tie families like the Fossoways or the Peakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambi76 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Only way Tarly betrays his liege lord is for Mace to besmirch Randyll's military powers or honor IMHO. Hightower and Redwyne would be really weird because of the intermarriages as noted. Allthough there could be a conflict breaking out between those two houses in respect to the inheritance of Highgarden if Mace and all his kids fall over and die on their own accord. Technically Highgarden would fall to House Redwyne then (Horas or Hobber) but Allerie's Daddy may not like it? There is maybe something to be made of the Green Apple Red Apple Fossoways split that is harped on multiple times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Mathis Rowan is another possiblity, and he is (was) currently besieging Strom's End, and Aegon currently wants storm's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Since Randyll is probably being cast for season 6, I get the impression he will in fact betray Mace, I don't think he would be that important otherwise, would he? Olenna is a Redwyne, I don't think Lord Redwyne would betray his kin. The Hightowers are a wildcard though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I think Tarly would turn...for a dragon. If House Tyrell goes down courtesy of hitching their wagon to House Lannister, then they are no longer the main force in the Reach. With new players on the field, Targaryen claimants no less, it would be smart for Randyll, among others, to jump ship. Actually I expect the Tyrells to switch allegiance as well, so it's not a matter of turning on the Tyrells, but I think the Highgarden crowd's credibility with Aegon will be seriously damaged by having married into House "Baratheon" of King's Landing repeatedly. That leaves an opening for another powerful family to step up in the Reach, and Tarly is in a good position to take advantage of such a situation. Far more so than the Florents, and possibly the Hightowers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibzit Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Since Randyll is probably being cast for season 6, I get the impression he will in fact betray Mace, I don't think he would be that important otherwise, would he? Olenna is a Redwyne, I don't think Lord Redwyne would betray his kin. The Hightowers are a wildcard though. Who is he gonna betray Mace for when Aegon doesn't exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambi76 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah, I'm not sure everbody will be as delighted about (f)Aegon as many in fandom think they will be. Yes, supposedly there are some secret Targ loyalists in the Reach but that was just utterly vague of GURM. And I still think a betrayal from someone as Tarly would have to be about something more personal than old Targaryen loyalities but I could be wrong. The show focus on house Tarly is suspicious but then Sam needs something to do besides reading books I guess and house Tarly could there probably also be some kind of hybrid of House Tarly and Hightower if they'll stand for "Oldtown family". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Who is he gonna betray Mace for when Aegon doesn't exist? Maybe Dany. A dragon is a dragon and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnFit Finlay Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Mace isn't an oaf as some people think, Randyll will never betray him since he has much more to win with Mace than against him, the guy is his right hand, if someone betrays the Tyrells it is the Rowans and second tie families like the Fossoways or the Peakes I think that's up for debate. Mace has shown signs that he doesn't quite appreciate just how valuable Randyll is. He takes all the credit for Ashford, for example and Brightwater Keep went to Garlan, despite Randyll having the far better claim (due to his marriage to Melessa Florent). There also no (recent) marriage ties binding their Houses together, which seems like a bit of an oversight. I think Willas might be a factor as well. If Mace dies then Willas will be Randyll's liege Lord. From what we know of Randyll, will he really be comfortable taking orders from a sensitive cripple who loves to read? If Aegon makes him an offer, I think he'll listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambi76 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I think Willas might be a factor as well. If Mace dies then Willas will be Randyll's liege Lord. From what we know of Randyll, will he really be comfortable taking orders from a sensitive cripple who loves to read? Oh, not being down with Willas as his liege Lord, I can see that. Was just thinking: Willas better marry one of Randyll's daughters pronto, but Randyll would probably not even give one of this daughters to a cripple. Mace has to die pretty fast now for that though. There is the Hand of the King curse, so that should work out in no time. :devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Doe Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 He takes the official credit for Ashfort, but he appreciates Tarlys talent by making him effectively second in command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas88 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Oh, not being down with Willas as his liege Lord, I can see that. Was just thinking: Willas better marry one of Randyll's daughters pronto, but Randyll would probably not even give one of this daughters to a cripple. Mace has to die pretty fast now for that though. There is the Hand of the King curse, so that should work out in no time. :devil: I would wait to see more of Highgarden before underestimating Willas. Since Olenna was around when he grew up I have this impression of him like some sort of well respected Doran Martell-sort of guy. We don't know yet if he is respected throughout the Reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnFit Finlay Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Oh, not being down with Willas as his liege Lord, I can see that. Was just thinking: Willas better marry one of Randyll's daughters pronto, but Randyll would probably not even give one of this daughters to a cripple. Mace has to die pretty fast now for that though. There is the Hand of the King curse, so that should work out in no time. :devil: Whether he'd agree to a marriage is an interesting question. He'd probably loathe Willas but, at the same time, the marriage would be a massive honour and would raise his House's status massively. I think Mace is toast. The Tyrells have gone far too long without anything suffering any consequences (I'm not buying Aurane Waters account of the Siege of Dragonstone). He takes the official credit for Ashfort, but he appreciates Tarlys talent by making him effectively second in command. It depends on how Randyll takes it I suppose. He could see it as a position of honour, or he could see it as Mace making him do all the work while keeping the spoils for himself. There is at least one POV account (Tyrion's? Jaime's?) saying that Mace brags about his command ability even though Ashford is his only notable win and Randyll had it won before he even took the field. I'd suggest that the Faith might be another issue. Randyll's a follower of the Seven, and generally has shown a very conservative view of things. The allegations against Cersei and Margaery have got to have him asking questions and, if Cersei wins her Trial By Combat by using an Undead Zombie (imagine if his helmet comes off in the fight?!!) then it might make it just a little bit easier to choose between Aegon and Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnFit Finlay Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Double Post! I never Double Post. :-( Anyway, I'll add that The Faith could sway a lot of the other Reach Lords to Aegon. Oh, and Alekyne Florent is being sheltered by the HighTowers, which certainly raises doubts about their loyalty to House Tyrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I think Mathis will be the first to jump ship. He's the only major Reach lord at SE right now and as we know Aegon has taken SE. Who knows where he sits right now. Also, its noted he was disgusted with how the Targ children were dealt with, so it's very possible that he's truly loyal to the Targaryens, and is willing to jump off the sinking Tyrell-Lannister ship to the Targaryen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaNymeriaVisenya Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I can see the Hightowers betraying the Tyrells for one reason, GRRM has set up a back story where they lie down and accept the eventual winners all the time. When the Andals invaded they were let in, when the Targs invaded they let them in. When Aegon shows up, Hightower will let Aegon in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 We already saw how many Tyrell bannermen dumped Renly for Stannis, so my impression of the Tyrells is that they are not as strong as many people think. They still have pretty rock solid support from the Redwynes and Hightowers, given all the intermarriage between the three families, plus the Tarlys, so they are still the strongest house in the realm -- thanks to the Lannister implosion that otherwise would have had Tywin controlling the north, the neck, the riverlands, the westerlands, the crownlands and the stormlands -- but they are not invincible and will have to tread carefully in the wars to come. I think JonCon will try to get Tyrell support for fAegon by giving up Storm's End to Mace and then bringing the GC into the Tyrell army undercover to then rid the Reach of the ironmen. That way, Mace gets to march back into King's Landing as the conquering hero he's always pretended to be, and once safely inside JC and GC could eliminate any remaining Lannisters in the city and then install fAegon is the rightful Targeryen king, perhaps betrothing him to Margaery. The only thing that can mess all that up is Dany and her dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 There's areally good thread on the topic here...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/102121-who-are-the-gcs-friends-in-the-reach/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordQorgyle Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 I think that's up for debate. Mace has shown signs that he doesn't quite appreciate just how valuable Randyll is. He takes all the credit for Ashford, for example and Brightwater Keep went to Garlan, despite Randyll having the far better claim (due to his marriage to Melessa Florent). There also no (recent) marriage ties binding their Houses together, which seems like a bit of an oversight. I think Willas might be a factor as well. If Mace dies then Willas will be Randyll's liege Lord. From what we know of Randyll, will he really be comfortable taking orders from a sensitive cripple who loves to read? If Aegon makes him an offer, I think he'll listen. He got a place in the small council and his son gets Maidenpool by wedding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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