Getright Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Why did Eddard risk the lives of Lords and not some of his best fighters at the Tower of Joy? Maybe those Lords were good fighters, but they are the commanders of his army, he risked so many alliances and commanding skill.Lady Dustin never wanted to support him in another war after Lord Dustin died. Surely he had better fighting skill of normal Men/ Master at arms within his ranks that could have possibly taken on the Kings Guard if he had say 20 good men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He took his friends people he could trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cladinator Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He took his friends people he could trust. Exactly. The ToJ wasn't a strategic mission with anything on the line as far as the Rebellion went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getright Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 Exactly. The ToJ wasn't a strategic mission with anything on the line as far as the Rebellion went. But what happens after his commanders are dead? He risked fighting future wars without these friends and commanders...He could have stormed the Tower with more men, Kingsguard don't tend to surrender but put 3 against 20 you're bound to surrender, it's hopless for them, no matter how good they are they can't take 20 decent fighters. Lyannas life could have been spared, hers for theirs with no bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Same reason he sent Lord Beric, who was not even a Northern Lord, to hunt The Mountain. Ned was willing to sacrifice anyone for HIS definition of "honor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He took his friends people he could trust. This. Those were the people he trusted. That said the award for the worst luck ever goes to Ethan Glover. He was able survive both the Mad King and the war and he was killed after the war was ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaworth'sShipmate Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 This. Those were the people he trusted. That said the award for the worst luck ever goes to Ethan Glover. He was able survive both the Mad King and the war and he was killed after the war was ended. Still though. He was taking an awful risk by having them there. What if most of them survived or even 2-3 others than Howland Reed? Could he trust all of them to keep the secret of R+ L= J? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 This. Those were the people he trusted. if there is evidence proving he "trusted" anyone other than Reed, please post. i do not think someone who made comments about your new wife's breasts on your wedding day is someone you would become BFFs with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 actually, there is CONSIDERABLE more evidence that he "trusted" and respected the 3KG over any of his companions, other than Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getright Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 actually, there is CONSIDERABLE more evidence that he "trusted" and respected the 3KG over any of his companions, other than Reed.Is there a chance Howland and Eddard executed the rest of their surviving companions for the 'greater good'?CONSPIRACY!!! It is known! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 For the same reason that Robb risked the lives of nobles in his 'honour guard' when he battled Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 if there is evidence proving he "trusted" anyone other than Reed, please post. i do not think someone who made comments about your new wife's breasts on your wedding day is someone you would become BFFs with... In a society were people have a bedding ceremony it's not a reprehensible comment. Still though. He was taking an awful risk by having them there. What if most of them survived or even 2-3 others than Howland Reed? Could he trust all of them to keep the secret of R+ L= J? I don't think that he knew that J was there. I believe that he trusted his closest Northern Lords. actually, there is CONSIDERABLE more evidence that he "trusted" and respected the 3KG over any of his companions, other than Reed. Trusted no respected yes. But like many other things he was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorEmixam Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He might not have expected a fight? Maybe more like "here 7 houses stand" not only 7 lords. The Targs were defeated maybe they hoped to get some sense into them. Who would want the likes of Arthur Dayne to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitbert Strangejoy Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Is there a chance Howland and Eddard executed the rest of their surviving companions for the 'greater good'?CONSPIRACY!!! I is known! Lol Lord Dustin, Blood of the Barrow Kings; and Lord Glover, Blood of the Kings of the North (First Men kings after the Long Night) were brought there as sacrifices to old gods. Theo Wull, Lord Ryswell, and Cassel just had incredibly bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 We actually only know of Willam Dustin and Howland Reed being lords. We have no idea if Ethan Glover, Theo Wull, Martyn Cassel or Mark Ryswell were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drekinn Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 He expected the knights to surrender after all was lost. Why didn't he bring back their bodies, only Lyanass, is the bigger question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cladinator Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 You know, you're right. The skirmish at the ToJ was just a ruse to get his buddies killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Why did Eddard risk the lives of Lords and not some of his best fighters at the Tower of Joy?Maybe those Lords were good fighters, but they are the commanders of his army, he risked so many alliances and commanding skill.Lady Dustin never wanted to support him in another war after Lord Dustin died. Surely he had better fighting skill of normal Men/ Master at arms within his ranks that could have possibly taken on the Kings Guard if he had say 20 good men? B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 We actually only know of Willam Dustin and Howland Reed being lords. We have no idea if Ethan Glover, Theo Wull, Martyn Cassel or Mark Ryswell were. The Glovers aren't lords but they have the strength similar to a lord.It's like how in the Vale the knight of 9 stars has nearly the same amount of men as the lords declarant.Wull is a mountain clan name iirc so he was probably a lord/Clan Chief.The Russell's are lords.And the Cassels are a house sworn directly to the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 The Glovers aren't lords but they have the strength similar to a lord.It's like how in the Vale the knight of 9 stars has nearly the same amount of men as the lords declarant.Wull is a mountain clan name iirc so he was probably a lord/Clan Chief.The Russell's are lords.And the Cassels are a house sworn directly to the Starks. Ser Mark Ryswell was not the lord. GRRM confirmed that in a SSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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