Your Random ASOIAF/TWOIAF/D&E Opinions, Confessions and Dirty Secrets, NUMERO CINCO

[JonCon's Red Beard]

-guys, I'll return to this part of the thread in a few more weeks. I'm finishing my health consultations and stuff. I'm fine but I'm not in the mood of dissecting the books, just bashing the show because my doctors say I should do activities that help me release some stress, heh. Love ya and miss you all.

Carry on on my name and honour.

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Have some random thoughts coming into your mind while reading?

Thought of a crazy theory but you can't prove it and just want to tell everyone?

Some lines gave you a hunch that you're certain might happen but you have no evidence?

You think X is an idiot and need to tell the world?

Fear no more. We all been there. No discussions. No evidence. Just... random thoughts.

not mix up with small questions or I never noticed that

previous ones, here, here, here and here

Enjoy.

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ETA: Peru also got third in Cup America (that's like the UEFA but with the players that participate in the Champions), got the top scorer and won Fair Play of the tournament and everybody in the world loves us because we're cool and people it's like "wtf? Peru remember they played that good all of a sudden or is the 70s again when they did, and were are the disco and the afros??" . So, I'm celebrating too like there is no tomorrow because that's big. BIG and we never win anything.

[Lord Wraith]

Thanks for reposting JonCon.

I am working on a theory that Marwyn is the secret bastard of Prince Lewyn Martell and Olenna Redwynne. I want to hear how crazy people think this in this thread or in the Hersey threads. So forum am I crazy, I can post some of my reasons if anyone cares to hear them. I want to complete everything before I make an official thread for it. Also yes I'm aware its very tinfoil at first glance.

[SouthernIslander]

I really like the sound of some of the words in the series, chief among them Winterfell, which I find so evocative and lovely.

Also, I hope one day soonish (in his stories' timeline) Dunk learns that he actually isn't dumb and worthless. Unsophisticated and not learned, sure. But I recently did a re-read of the D&E stories and noticed tat Dunk has good instincts for detecting bull and putting things together, even if he doesn't do so as quickly as a brighter person might. It'll stink if we have to wait until Summerhall for him to realize his worth.

[SouthernIslander]

Thanks for reposting JonCon.

I am working on a theory that Marwyn is the secret bastard of Prince Lewyn Martell and Olenna Redwynne. I want to hear how crazy people think this in this thread or in the Hersey threads. So forum am I crazy, I can post some of my reasons if anyone cares to hear them. I want to complete everything before I make an official thread for it. Also yes I'm aware its very tinfoil at first glance.

Interesting. Would it be stepping on your future post to ask if you've found anything in the books that sets forth common ways of hiding pregnancies that highborn girls actually take to term (sort of like the recent/current practices of a girl taking a long vacation or study abroad to Europe or a family raising the child of a "ruined" girl as her sibling)?

[Lord Wraith]

Interesting. Would it be stepping on your future post to ask if you've found anything in the books that sets forth common ways of hiding pregnancies that highborn girls actually take to term (sort of like the recent/current practices of a girl taking a long vacation or study abroad to Europe or a family raising the child of a "ruined" girl as her sibling)?

Offhandedly I don't remember anything about that in the text but now I will certainly keep an eye out for that. On a side note Olenna had Mace when she was 28, which is very old for a firstborn child. She was betrothed to Daeron Targaryen at 9 and presumably went to court to join him. He broke it off since he was gay when they were 18. So that's a lot of time away from home and a lot of time before her marriage which we don't know when that happened. That is a lot of time to move between places and hide something of that magnitude but we know very little of that time period.

Thanks for the feedback.

[Saer]

Arya did not need 13 chapters in Storm of Swords. 'Arya not getting to Riverrun' did not need anywhere near thirteen chapters in Storm of Swords.

Jon's plot in Clash was unbalanced, too many chapters pre-wildlings.

Tyrion should have taken a maximum of four chapters in Dance up to being abducted by Jorah, not six, with similar cuts later that I haven't worked out because I don't remember what happened. (There was a boat and Penny and slavery and... sellswords... whatever.)

[Drekinn]

I like how TWOIAF makes the ''Everyone is a secret Targaryen!'' madness more believable.

What I don't like is how some Targaryen women artworks were made to look similar to Emilia Clarke. Just no. No. No. No.

[Roddy Darwin]

Waiter, I want what he/she's having

Seriously, why are you so sure? #legitimately curious.

Dunno if that's what RoamingRonin had in mind, but this is what got me all jumpy optimistic again.

(I know, he said he wouldn't tell us anything about his progress on tWoW, but that's precisely what makes me think there is something here. He knows from the previous books fiasco just how much we read into that kinda stuff, so I don't think he'd casually mention potentially finishing up before the end of the year if he wasn't pretty damn sure that was doable.)

[falcotron]

What I don't like is how some Targaryen women artworks were made to look similar to Emilia Clarke. Just no. No. No. No.

Why not? Wasn't Rhaenys described as small, slender, youthful-looking, and raised by an aged T-800 robot sent back from the future?

[Drekinn]

Why not? Wasn't Rhaenys described as small, slender, youthful-looking, and raised by an aged T-800 robot sent back from the future?

To be fair I don't consider any of the artworks as canon. :P Especially Chris Hemsworth Rhaegar.

[SouthernIslander]

But that would have substantially reduced the instances of "Where do whores go?", and I think we can all agree that question is the cornerstone of the series! :drool:

Arya did not need 13 chapters in Storm of Swords. 'Arya not getting to Riverrun' did not need anywhere near thirteen chapters in Storm of Swords.

Jon's plot in Clash was unbalanced, too many chapters pre-wildlings.

Tyrion should have taken a maximum of four chapters in Dance up to being abducted by Jorah, not six, with similar cuts later that I haven't worked out because I don't remember what happened. (There was a boat and Penny and slavery and... sellswords... whatever.)

[Mitbert Strangejoy]

It's technically on the show, but Bob's quote in reference to Lyanna "And 7 Kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind" always makes me laugh. How big, exactly, was her... um... hole?

[Shuvuuia]

Also, I hope one day soonish (in his stories' timeline) Dunk learns that he actually isn't dumb and worthless. Unsophisticated and not learned, sure. But I recently did a re-read of the D&E stories and noticed tat Dunk has good instincts for detecting bull and putting things together, even if he doesn't do so as quickly as a brighter person might. It'll stink if we have to wait until Summerhall for him to realize his worth.

:agree: Actually, I think Dunk is quite good at reading people (partially because he is our only POV and we need him to know about other characters), he just doesn't dwell on what he sees/feels too long. I'd call him rather smart.

My dirty confession: I like Renly and Loras's relationship as a part of the story but I don't really ship them together, not only because of Loras's age, but also because I always felt like Renly was a bad influence on Loras. Like when Loras repeats his opinion that books are for maesters. I'm not sure if Renly actually believed it or he joked about it to look cynical and decadent and Loras took it seriously. I feel that Loras could've done better. And I like Renly and feel sorry for him, and I think he would've also benefited with someone calmer and more mature.

[KaIsAWheel]

I did not realize Abel and the washerwomen were Mance and the spearwives until like way after I read that part. Afterwards when I realized I was like wow duh. How did I not catch that. This is my guilt ridden confession.

[Gibzit]

My dirty confession: I like Renly and Loras's relationship as a part of the story but I don't really ship them together, not only because of Loras's age, but also because I always felt like Renly was a bad influence on Loras. Like when Loras repeats his opinion that books are for maesters. I'm not sure if Renly actually believed it or he joked about it to look cynical and decadent and Loras took it seriously. I feel that Loras could've done better. And I like Renly and feel sorry for him, and I think he would've also benefited with someone calmer and more mature.

Renly and Loras are only 5 years apart, so age isn't really a problem.

[Lost Melnibonean]

I did not realize Abel and the washerwomen were Mance and the spearwives until like way after I read that part. Afterwards when I realized I was like wow duh. How did I not catch that. This is my guilt ridden confession.

I have trouble recalling what I figured out all by myself and what I learned here.

[Shuvuuia]

Renly and Loras are only 5 years apart, so age isn't really a problem.

Well, that's more about my personal sensibilities. How old was Loras when they started? 14-15? When Renly was 19-20. I just can't like it because I'm very sensitive to underage stuff. I'm fine with it when it's a part of the story but I don't ship anyone who is under 18. Edit: with those who are much older, I guess I would be ok with 17 and 19 or 17 and 16 in a non-sexual way.

[Drekinn]

I did not realize Abel and the washerwomen were Mance and the spearwives until like way after I read that part. Afterwards when I realized I was like wow duh. How did I not catch that. This is my guilt ridden confession.

Don't feel bad. On my first read I thought Abel was an agent of Mance, and Mance was still wondering around Winterfell...

[SouthernIslander]

I watched GoT Season 1, then read the books before Season 2. I can't imagine that my thoughts on the characters, especially those who were in the books from the beginning, are free of the actors who played them on screen. So, for instance, Renly's quest for the crown seems even more absurd to me in the books because he's so clearly unworthy in the show, as I don't think the actor captured the fact that he's basically supposed to be 92% Robert at his age in terms of charisma, martial ability, confidence, etc.

And the Dorne storyline on the show annoyed me for slightly different reasons than the standard ones. Nixing Arianne keeps us from getting into the Dornish practice of absolute primogentiure, which I think is fantastic (and an idea that contemporary royalty and nobility need to get on board with) and which I think helps set Dorne apart. Also, having Arianne be the revenge monger would be slightly more sensible, as her book arc is largely about her father's attempt to teach his daughter how to rule and play politics. It makes sense that she'd be a bit unwise, as she's still pretty young. But Ellaria Sand is a grown woman, and her desire to kill a child because her man died fighting a trial by combat that he volunteered to fight in and that he lost only due to his own mistake just makes absolutely no sense.

[GuardstheRealmsofMen]

I totally guessed what was about to happen right before RW, considered mentioning it to my friend who read the books already, then dismissed it as too crazy a betrayal and said nothing. I've always regretted that.