Swamp Dweller Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 So I was just reading a bit about the Bloodstone Emperor who sounds like a pretty dreadful guy. So after he killed his sister and usurped her power, he turned his back on the Gods of Yi Ti and founded the Cult Church of Starry Wisdom and worshipped some black stone that fell from the sky, which they believe then ushered in the Long Night. Okay, so this made me think of another stone that supposedly fell from the sky, the star from which the Dayne's ancestral blade Dawn is allegedly made. In contrast, to the black stone worshipped by the Bloodstone Emperor, the material from which Dawn is made is described as pale as milkglass. I'm just wondering if you think there can be any parallels to be made between these two occurences Two Legendary Items Fall From the Sky.... 1. Black Stone that helped to usher in the Long Night 2. Pale Star that is used to create an ancestral blade Dawn whose wielder is titled Sword of the Morning Any possible connection?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon2908 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Yup you got it right. The Black stone emperor was the evil azor ahai who wielded the dark Lightbringer. While the Last Hero must have been a dayne knight, or some dude who wielded dawn. Dawn must be the good lightbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Scaletongue Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Check out Lucifer means Lightbringer's essay's on this stuff! I may not always agree with the conclusions, but they're a great read and really put a lot of the Bloodstone Emperor stuff into perspective, narrative-wise. There's quite a few threads on this subforum that discuss a lot of this stuff. You might have to go back a couple of pages, but most of them are worth hunting down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 Thousand Skeletons Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 LmL's threads are enlightening, but I think he is totally wrong about certain things, like he thinks there are going to be 4 magic swords, including Dawn and that Dawn was the original Ice. Shit like that is way too convoluted. Yup you got it right. The Black stone emperor was the evil azor ahai who wielded the dark Lightbringer. While the Last Hero must have been a dayne knight, or some dude who wielded dawn. Dawn must be the good lightbringer. I disagree. I think it is more likely that the Last Hero was the Night's King and that he was the anti-Azor Ahai. I also think Bran is the new Last Hero and that there must be a battle of fire vs ice to restore balance to the world and fix the seasons. Dark Lightbringer? I don't know what you're going with here. Seems more likely that BSE/AA used lightbringer. Frankly I expect Bran to use an ice dragon against 3 fire dragons, just like in GRRM's short story the Ice Dragon, which ends with a fight between an ice dragon and 3 fire dragons in which the dragons all die and the riders of the fire dragons all die. The ending of the story needs to be some version of the BSE myth. The original BSE murdered the Amethyst Emperess and brought darkness and imbalance to the world. So to restore balance, the new BSE/AA must make a sacrifice (opposite of murder). If Jon is AA and Dany is the Amethyst Empress, I think Jon will possibly impregnate Dany and then have to sacrifice himself in some fashion, since we know that Dany will die in childbirth (according to MMD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Scaletongue Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 LmL's threads are enlightening, but I think he is totally wrong about certain things, like he thinks there are going to be 4 magic swords, including Dawn and that Dawn was the original Ice. Shit like that is way too convoluted. O yeah, some of the conclusions are convoluted and a bit out there, but the way he plots out the history of the BSE and the Great Empire of the Dawn makes a lot of sense, as do the connections between the GEotD/BSE and the main story. What we learned about the GEotD and the BSE can be connected to a fair bit of Dany's story in AGOT, which means a lot of that has been part of the story from the beginning. Like I said, some of the conclusions are a stretch, but the bones of it connect a lot of dots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Didn't GRRM said he had to make up all that stuff because of the world book? So I don't think the gemstones emperors appeared in Dany's dream. And Yi Ti is just way to far from Westeros to make an importance. He is just giving a myth waaaay too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 ^ Not everything was made up, a few stuff yeah, but I believe there are many imporant things in there we shall see in the future of the story. The Blackstones have something to do with the long night, I am quite sure. No wonder Asshai is all made of those stones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafic Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Well that fits into the theory that Asoiaf is SciFi and the long night was caused by a "fallen star", aka a nuclear reaction. Maybe the metal of the bomb was was turned into the sword dawn, and thus the glow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Scaletongue Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Didn't GRRM said he had to make up all that stuff because of the world book? So I don't think the gemstones emperors appeared in Dany's dream. And Yi Ti is just way to far from Westeros to make an importance. He is just giving a myth waaaay too much credit. I don't think you're giving myths enough credit. Myths aren't simply stories. They are stories used to explain things to humans in a way we could understand - like a meteor striking the planet (an example that can be found in both ASOIAF and real-world myths). Just because modern day society hasn't quite figured out *what* they were trying to tell us doesn't make the ancient myth-makers idiots or fools. If anything, it makes us idiots and fools for not "getting" it! And on a technical note - of course he "made stuff up" for the World Book, the entire series is "made up"; that's the definition of fiction. Just because he "made it up" for the World Book doesn't mean it's all worthless. GRRM "made up" the Others, but we take them seriously enough. Some of TWOIAF may not be relevant to the plot of the current story, but some of it will be. And until the end of the series, we, the readers, won't know *which* parts of the World Book are relevant. It certainly doesn't hurt to work with what was given to us. Will some of us be wrong? Certainly. Will some be right? Odds are that someone in this forum will be! But no one will know who's right or wrong until we've all read to the end. It's all a figurative waste of time anyway. Does it really matter *how* we're wasting our time? I'd, personally, rather spend my time discussing stuff like this than yet another re-iteration of R+L=J. If you'd rather not discuss this stuff, then find a different subforum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varys BrightBlackflayrme Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Black stone Vs White stone? Jons Bastards swords pommel is white stone. Dawn is pale as Milk Glass. I think the Daynes are the only pure decendants of the first men or pre proto first men. Purely because they seem to be in the middle of the Starks and Targaryens. What we dont know about them is the most important thing there is. Fallen and Reborn. Darkness and Light. Black and white. Ice and FIre. Water & Blood. Blue/Purple/Red - Green - All means nothing though at this point. If there was a Red comet and a White Comet. Was there a Black Comet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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